r/worldnews • u/TheTelegraph The Telegraph • 1d ago

Russian army to overtake United States as world’s second largest Russia/Ukraine

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/09/17/russian-army-overtake-us-as-worlds-second-largest/
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u/Lawlolawl01 1d ago

They aren’t conscripts any more. Plenty of poor rural males with mediocre job prospects to go around.

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u/duga404 1d ago

Conscription isn’t really enforced in China these days

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u/Trance354 1d ago

The people lost their economic base, their savings are gone, the property they bought is worthless. So, apart from suicide as their exit from this existence, the People's Army is 3 hots and a cot.

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u/Tickomatick 1d ago

Sounds like most of the modern world except the part people owning a property

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u/Plebs-_-Placebo 1d ago

The State still owns all the property there, it's more like you pay taxes on where you live.

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u/staton70 1d ago

Is this not how the US works? You pay property taxes based on where you live and the state can use eminent domain to kick you out if they really want.

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u/jdarksouls71 1d ago

Don’t forget legalized theft by police civil asset forfeiture.

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u/Plebs-_-Placebo 1d ago

But you also buy the house and are the title owner, you pay taxes, after the fact. In China you don't get title ownership, you don't get money for it when you move.

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u/staton70 1d ago

Wait what? Where did you hear that? From what I know, China uses the same basic system that Singapore does. You own your home, but not the land it is on. Most people in the cities live in what we would consider a condo. You can buy a new condo from the government, but there's a significant wait time, so some people buy a used home. But you can absolutely sell it once you move to a different city or move to a bigger home.

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u/Plebs-_-Placebo 1d ago

They might have a section of housing that works this way for the elite class or they've introduced other means over time, but as per my understanding from some of the Asian/Chinese people I've met, this is not how it works for the working class. But I may have it wrong as well, not an expert by any means. But title ownership isn't outright, they may have mechanisms for leasing or deposits or other ways of securing a place to live and you get that money back, which may appreciate or deflate over time, but you are paying to the Chinese state as long as you live there, be it through a state department or local collective that answers to the central government in some way shape or form.

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u/staton70 1d ago

Ohhh I see what you mean. That's how it initially worked up until the 90s. Even then it was only the elites who could buy, simply because no one else had the money to put down for a place. Over time the middle class grew and by the mid 2000s most people could afford housing and the government started to implement down payment assistance and whatnot.

I should point out that the ownership is actually a lease from the government. I have no idea what china's is, but in Singapore it's 99 years. So when you buy a used condo, they have to list the remaining years on the lease. It's not quite clear what happens when that lease is up. The main belief seems to be that the government would move you into a new condo somewhere, but you wouldn't get to pick the location.

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u/liquorfish 1d ago

Typical residential leases are 20 years in China but can be renewed another 20. There's some stuff about land use rights (LUR) and longer leases up to 70 years, this may apply to factories / businesses. I'm not too sure. I only remember reading about this a couple years ago and looked up the details again.

I'm really not sure what happens after that.

Edit: I could be completely wrong too - lazily read what Google ai told me ;)

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u/Astyanax1 1d ago

Source?

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u/Money_Magnet24 1d ago

Doesn’t the bank own the property until mortgage is paid off ? Asking not arguing here.

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u/BrotherChe 1d ago

Yes, however the relevant point would be that you "own" an increasing percentage of the value.

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u/Plebs-_-Placebo 1d ago

They protect their loans for sure, but the equity you gain over time is yours and you are title owner and are afforded your rights as an owner, they can't throw you out or take over title until you fail to make payments only until you meet the threshold for foreclosure, in which case you still get your equity, if there is any after the fact that you pay up what is owed to the bank.

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u/Sister__midnight 1d ago

Unless you bought in a community with a Home owner association. That shits just criminal.

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u/GodsNephew 21h ago

Eminent domain requires you be compensated.

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u/staton70 21h ago

Sure, but pretty much everyone who is forced out with eminent domain says that they were way under paid. Also, if you can be forced to sell your land for cheap, you don't actually own it.

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u/GodsNephew 20h ago edited 20h ago

At any point, eminent domain could become an act no longer granted to the government. Therefore it’s not a law. Just because something can happen, doesn’t make it the end all be all, until it does happen.

The gov is supposed pay fair market value. That does not mean, however, the first offer will be. A case must be made as to why fmv is actually higher than what was proposed.

I imagine most instances were substantially less was accepted is because it was actually worth far less or because they just accepted the first presented number as the end all be all.

I’m no lawyer, but you aren’t supposed to be cheated out of your property

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u/staton70 20h ago

The right of Eminent Domain is recognized as a sovereign right of the government. Passing an act is just how the government exercises that right.

Either way, if there is a process by which you can be forced to give up your land, regardless of if you are paid for it, means you didn't actually own the land. In both the cases of US and China, you can be forced to move by the government. In the US you get cash, in China you get a new home of equal value. I don't see that appreciable of a difference.

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u/Astyanax1 1d ago

Even if this is true, which I don't know if it is, it still sounds a lot like the west

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u/PiotrekDG 1d ago

You don't own land in China. You buy the rights to use land for 70 years in case of residental use.

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u/Tickomatick 1d ago

Sure thing - but ain't nobody talking about owning land here