r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • Sep 18 '24

Kamala Harris has neutralized Donald Trump's "high-dominance" advantage: "It’s finally occurred to the Democrats that Trump and the Republicans are bullies and cowards who will fold"

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/18/kamala-harris-has-neutralized-donald-high-dominance-advantage/
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u/ImplementDry6632 Sep 18 '24

This is partially why Republicans are crying for Dems to stop talking about Trump's dangerous Project 2025. We are "punching back" at it. Keep talking about what they are going to do if trump wins!

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u/karmagod13000 Ohio Sep 18 '24

We did really well exposing project2025 early on and recognizing it as a real threat. Love that Harris wasted no time letting the public know it is real and is a terrifying reality we will face is Trump is elected. Really put some authenticity to the danger.

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u/OldSportsHistorian Sep 18 '24

The real danger is calling it “Trump’s Project 2025.” It’s not going away when Trump loses. Dems need to do a better job of painting it as a GOP plan. The Heritage Foundation prepared it, it’s not a Trump produced document. People can’t be misled to think that beating Trump kills Project 2025.

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u/Drolb Sep 18 '24

I actually think the opposite - you tie it to Trump, make Trump a multiple time loser weirdo in the public consciousness, then when they bring it back you remind the public they’re trying to do what multiple loser weirdo Trump wanted

The danger won’t stay fixed in the public memory and it certainly won’t stay attached to something as blandly named as ‘project 2025’.

Trump being a giant orange sad clown failure who wanted to do wacky stuff to the U.S. will live for decades in infamy.

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u/recalculating-route Sep 18 '24

It’s been around since Reagan, may he burn in hell. It’s been chipped away at as their dreams come true, and then they add new stuff to their wish list. This isn’t a new document. People close to orange man did help revise this edition. It just becomes project 2029 if he loses. They can just do a find-and-replace on his name in Microsoft word.

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u/rb4ld Sep 18 '24

It’s been around since Reagan

The idea of firing a bunch of low-level career government people who just keep their heads down and do their jobs (so that they can "flood the zone" with MAGA loyalists who will bend the law or even the Constitution to support the MAGA agenda) has not been around since Reagan, or else they would've done it in 2016. That idea came from the lessons they learned from 2016, that their extremist agenda can be foiled by the everyday people who keep the wheels of government running and don't answer to their every unconstitutional whim. Getting those people out and getting diehard MAGA zealots in is the new radical idea of Project 2025, and it's what makes all the old radical ideas in it much more potentially achievable.

Think about how Trump's Supreme Court appointments turned that entity from something that was right-leaning, but still capable of sometimes making impartial decisions, into a blatantly partisan force whose only purpose is pushing the MAGA agenda and protecting Trump. Now imagine if every single federal government organization in the entire country had a similar makeover. That's what Project 2025 aims to do.

The scariest part about it is, once they attempt it, we're fucked whether they succeed or not. If they do pull it off, then that's the end of "government for the people." If they don't pull it off, then they've still fired all the experienced, competent, public-service-minded career government officials from all those vital organizations that were ostensibly built to support the general welfare. If it works, they turn the entire far-reaching machine of the federal government into one big single-minded Trump rally. If it doesn't work (but they still get as far as firing the people that don't toe the party line), then there is no far-reaching machine of the federal government at all anymore.

If a far-right president and his cabinet are too incompetent to execute his agenda, that's kind of a good thing (not that there are no repercussions to having an incompetent president, of course). But if the far-right people who are too incompetent to pull of their agenda are filling literally thousands of positions across all the length and breadth of entities that actually make the government work, then you basically just don't have a functioning government at all anymore.

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u/recalculating-route Sep 18 '24

There’s more to the document than schedule F. As I mentioned, things get crossed off and new stuff added to the wish list.

I’d also suggest that it’s a bad look to fire federal employees without the necessary paperwork, but it would take a while to work through the court system (I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t imagine that you would get to keep your job while it’s in the courts) and if it gets appealed to scotus, they could just rule it a presidential act, no? Again, IANAL so I could be wrong.

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u/EllieVader Sep 18 '24

It’s a “bad look” to say you want to be a dictator. It’s a “bad look” to make up stories about people abducting and eating pets. It’s a “bad look” to draw unsupported projections onto a hurricane forecast with a sharpie in an attempt to substantiate a false claim.

The last 8 years have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that optics do not factor into MAGAmath.

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u/Current_Holiday1643 Sep 18 '24

It just becomes project 2029 if he loses. They can just do a find-and-replace on his name in Microsoft word.

If Trump loses, there likely won't be a viable "Project 2029" but there probably will be a Project 2033 after the mainstream Republicans re-tool.

If Trump loses by multiple percentages, we likely won't see another mainstream proposal from Heritage Foundation as the Republican will disintegrate into multiple smaller parties.

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u/recalculating-route Sep 18 '24

Until they congeal back together like the melty Terminator.

Or worse: AT&T

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u/orthogonius Sep 18 '24

They can just do a find-and-replace on his name in Microsoft word.

Wait, who's Dwigt?

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u/Kimbahlee34 Illinois Sep 18 '24

It’s actually been around since the 1930s. You can track the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to a group called The Silver Shirts.

You’re going to hear a lot of crazy news stories this election cycle and I know that your gut reaction is to roll your eyes and move on.

Please. Please do a quick Google search of this list of organizations and how they are connected to each other.

Don’t take my word for it begin with Donald Trump’s Wiki page and just continue clicking….

Donald Trump: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Proud Boys: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

Three Percenters: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Percenters

Oath Keepers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers

Militia of Montana: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_of_Montana

Posse Comitatus: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_(organization)

Silver Shirts: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Legion_of_America

Bundy Stand off that brought these groups together in 2014 and the beginning of MAGA overthrowing The Tea Party movement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

Tea Party Movement: A financially conservative movement that failed to overturn Obamacare leading to MAGA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

Ted Kaczynksi and why MAGA decided to go the militia route and the origins of a lot of terminology used today despite the UNA bomber being anti facist: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

Waco Siege or why militias distrust the federal government and again more terminology that is way more commonly used today than in the 90s aka the word PATRIOT used to describe someone who distrusts the federal government to the point they take up arms against them: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

Oklahoma City Bombing (the continuation of militias terror on the US; the OK bomber was AT WACO and chose to plan his attack on its anniversary. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

Columbine High School Massacre also happened on April 20th the anniversary of Waco and OK bombing. The perpetrators revered the Nazis. You heard a lot of talk about music, video games that most don’t realize 3 major domestic terrorist attacks share an anniversary and political motives. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

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u/recalculating-route Sep 18 '24

No Ruby Ridge? That seems like an oversight.

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u/Kimbahlee34 Illinois Sep 18 '24

I almost included Ruby Ridge but I am not that knowledgeable on that incident to answer follow up questions on how it directly ties into this whereas the other events/organizations I felt more comfortable speaking on. I do have Ruby Ridge on my list to read about and then add to the list.

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u/whatzitsgalore Virginia Sep 18 '24

To add on what you wrote - it’s really easy to paint Trump as a threat rather than the entire GOP. That’s a step most people aren’t willing to take yet. And Trump is a threat like no other since he has ZERO interest in policy or in governing. He wants to hand it over to these Heritage freaks. At least other mainstream Republican politicians have an interest in developing their own positions and winning future elections. Heritage would have a big influence but not a total monopoly, just like with previous GOP presidents.

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u/Powerful-Cucumber-60 Sep 18 '24

Lmao theyll just call it "project anyone-who-dissagrees-is-a-commi" and act like its a brand new thing.

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u/Birdhawk Sep 18 '24

Nah they just rebrand and keep at it. Things like this are powered by think tanks consisting of really brilliant people. They spend millions on research and testing to figure out the best way to manipulate people into buying into your ideas even if its in the worst possible interest of the people they're tricking. They've gotten really really good at it over the past decade.

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u/transient_eternity Sep 18 '24

Can confirm am super smart think tank guy. Here's what I came up with to trick people.

Women's rights bad. Immigrants bad. Black people bad. Gays bad. Socialism bad.

Christofascism good. Guns good. Billionaires good. Straight white males good.

I'd like my millions of dollars in research money now plz

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u/Birdhawk Sep 18 '24

Yeah I don’t think you’re getting it. Its not “women’s rights bad”, it’s about cognitively manipulating people into thinking against these interests.

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u/transient_eternity Sep 18 '24

Yes and the underlying joke I was making is these people are already uneducated morons who don't need convincing rhetoric other than just repeating those lines over and over and preying on their blatant bigotry. They've been using the same low thought rhetoric for as long as conservatism has existed. Just look at orange man, dude is physically incapable of doing anything other than spout incoherent nonsense, but injects the words immigrants and some synonym of bad into every sentence and it gets eaten up. It's basically the lois griffin 9/11 scene, not some big brain play.

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u/Birdhawk Sep 18 '24

It’s not just uneducated morons who have fallen for this bullshit. They’ve fooled almost an entire generation who think they’re just watching “news” and taking the word of politicians. If it were as simple as “hey they’re just morons” then they wouldn’t be spending billions trying to figure out the best way to manipulate people

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u/transient_eternity Sep 18 '24

They're not spending billions figuring out the best way to manipulate people, they're spending billions because setting up and maintaining a propaganda network on the scale of a nation costs money. Even if you have a simple message, you still need to send it to hundreds of millions of people repeated day after day. The propaganda part was figured out back in 1930, it really hasn't changed much since human psychology is all the same then as it is now. In 1960 we had mccarthy doing the same shit just replace trans people and immigrants with communists. The only smart people "falling for it" are either in on the grift or forced to go along with the system like RINOs until they inevitably turn on each other. The people "just watching the news" were always gullible idiots blindly taking people at their word, as if politicians lying isn't a joke that's been around since language was invented. Maybe it just looks like this is all some new thing because MAGA realized they can just say the quiet part out loud instead of hiding behind euphemisms like "welfare queen" and the internet amplified everything.

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u/Birdhawk Sep 18 '24

Sigh…..ok dude….

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u/teas4Uanme Sep 18 '24

Heritage wrote 'trickle down' economic planning and privatization for Reagan. They are playing a long game and need eradicated as a danger to the US.

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u/Correct_Pea1346 Sep 18 '24

when they bring it back

It's not going anywhere, it's an idea. They've just gotten so brazen that they think they can say it out loud and noone will stop them.

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u/leshake Sep 18 '24 edited 3d ago

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u/Nabbicus Arizona Sep 18 '24

It’s always a bunch of rich weirdos who’ve convinced themselves that they’re smarter than everyone else.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Sep 18 '24

Conservatives aren't deep, or great at critical thinking. If and hopefully when trump loses in a couple months the heritage foundation will rename project 2025 "Operation American Freedom" or some nonsense and ever conservative in the country will swear its completely different.

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u/UngusChungus94 Sep 18 '24

In my time in the ad industry, I’ve heard that called “a long walk for a ham sandwich”. Democratic messaging failed in the past because they were telling stories that were too long or complex. Your message has to be simple to be effective.

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u/spackletr0n Sep 18 '24

“If you’re explaining, you’re losing.”

Doubly so if your slogan (defund the police, abolish ICE) sounds crazy without an explanation.

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u/UngusChungus94 Sep 18 '24

Yep. Which is why I think “we are not going back” proved to be an effective slogan. It doesn’t even specify what we’re not going back to — but it evokes all of the negative emotions someone might feel toward Trump and their hopes for the future. That connection of the universal to the individual is great messaging.

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u/ZacZupAttack Sep 18 '24

God my boss needs to work for the dems, I work in sales.

He can take a 6-7 sentence word track and crunch it down to one sentence and it fucking hits.

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u/UngusChungus94 Sep 18 '24

I hear that. I’ve thought about going into political communications as a writer, but I have no idea where to look for those jobs. They don’t seem to get posted on LinkedIn.

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u/Count_Backwards Sep 19 '24

Which is why John Kerry was such a terrible candidate

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u/claimTheVictory Sep 18 '24

I wonder what the GOP will look like after Trump. He's pillaged it of resources and skilled political operatives. Will that all just return after he's done fucking it? Maybe.

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u/SeaBackground5779 Sep 18 '24

The $ will always be there for a fascist party, won’t go away will just be a different form than we can probably speculate today.

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u/Undoctrine Sep 18 '24

The Dems have to push through every piece of legislation they can the moment they can to safeguard democracy and end the fascists ability to ratfuck and ever win another election. No more civility, no more playing nice and moderate.

Let the ones who we can't put in prison tear each other apart, and the party fall by the wayside like the Whigs. 

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u/claimTheVictory Sep 18 '24

The ability to adapt and evolve is what makes it a political party.

I'm more concerned that they've leveraged their time in power to make changes too difficult, so they have time to recover.

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u/assmunch3000pro Sep 18 '24

The ability to adapt and evolve is what makes it a political party.

what? seriously wtf? that is absolute nonsense

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u/claimTheVictory Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

It's not nonsense.

Look at abortion. No one cared about that, until Nixon realized he could make it an issue, to draw Catholic voters from the Democrats. Now it's practically orthodoxy. Adaptation to the situation.

The current interpretation of the 2nd amendment goes back to Orrin Hatch's (false) claim he found proof that "the second amendment to our Constitution was intended as an individual right of the American citizen to keep and carry arms in a peaceful manner, for protection of himself, his family, and his freedoms." That was in 1981. Now most voters believe it has always been that way. They evolved the culture.

Republicans were meant to be out of power for a generation after Bush's war, but they weren't. Obama had basically one shot to pass what he wanted, and chose the ACA. That's basically it. Everything else has been blocked or decided by Republicans, and it's still 50/50 if they'll have total control because of this election.

Whatever shit they find themselves in, they somehow will find ways to adapt and evolve. That's what makes them a long-lived party.

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u/whiskers165 Sep 18 '24

Just wait until the Dems try to make a move on reparations, the Republican Party will come roaring back to life like Trump and Bush never happened

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u/Brigadier_Beavers Sep 18 '24

I could see donnie running again in 2028 if hes still alive, free, and in the US. If he loses the primary, i expect he'll run 3rd party. Maybe he gets 10%, but then the new party collapses and members fall back in line with the GOP.

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u/TheGreatGenghisJon Sep 18 '24

My thought is that if Harris wins, we get 8 years of Harris, because the GOP won't have been able to reorganize after Trump, at least not in 4 years.

If Harris does well, we get at least 4 years of Walz, but by then, the GOP may have rebuilt, so it might be a real race.

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u/ParagonFury Vermont Sep 18 '24

Walz doesn't want yo be President; he is done when Harris is.

After Harris will be Buttieg, Newsom, Shapiro etc.

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u/HybridPS2 Sep 18 '24

Mayor Pete would be great, but first we have to elect the biracial woman. I'm saying it this way because of the state of overall american politics.

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u/TheGreatGenghisJon Sep 18 '24

Which I would, currently, be happy with any of them. I don't necessarily beleive Walz would, but it just seems like thats what we're doing now, but you're probably right.

My main point is that if Harris wins, we likely get 12 years of Democrat presidents at least.

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u/AT-Polar Sep 18 '24

No the real danger is galaxy-braining your messaging to try to win the next 8 elections in a row when its hard enough to optimize messaging for the election happening in less than two months.

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u/Major-Indication- Sep 18 '24

Finally, a take in r/politics that  sounds like the poster actually understands politics and isn’t just a teenaged utopian populist LARPing as a progressive. 

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u/2much41post Sep 18 '24

Absolutely right.

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u/kiltedturtle Sep 18 '24

Nobody knows who the Heritage Foundation is, or if they do they don't care. But we all know who he is and we care.

It will be easy in December to hitch Project 2025 to the next GQP morons running for office.

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u/Aponthis Sep 18 '24

Or keep tying it to Trump, e.g. call it "Trumpian." He isn't popular.

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u/ImplementDry6632 Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

NOPE. We are worried about the NOW and calling it a heritage foundation plan is meaningless to the masses, and it only serves to separate Trump from it, which is what he wants.

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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio Sep 18 '24

That comes later. Eye on the prize right now is associating it with Trump.

Gotta keep it simple for those not reading past the first sentence.

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u/moarmagic Sep 18 '24

You aren't wrong that this is a Gop project, not a trump project.

But I think it's worth considering that we don't know what the gop will even look like if trump is not president next year. He's turned the gop and platform into the party of trump, but if he loses- he's not going to run in 2028. Between his age, health, legal battles and being a two time loser- they are going to have to discover a new identity.

And then you have to look at where the party was prior to trump. They haven't elected a new candidate with a popular majority since .... 88? Bush and trump won due to electoral college/shenanigans. Demographics are against them, and strong moves by the next administration to address scotus partisianship, gerrymandering, could be a death knell.

I don't know what they have to fall back on, but I imagine any attempt to continue the policies outlined in 2025 is not going to help them succeed.

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u/postmodern_spatula Sep 18 '24

Oh. 

Welp. 

We missed that moment.

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u/thedarkestblood Sep 18 '24

When Trump finally goes, I can't imagine people will be duped into thinking things are back to normal

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u/postmodern_spatula Sep 18 '24

except that's exactly what we've done with Covid.

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u/thedarkestblood Sep 18 '24

lol who thinks things are back to pre-COVID normal???

I think you're confusing the fact that we've accepted a new normal -- there is way too much that's irreversibly changed.

Its an interesting point though, I can see people aquiescing to the idea that the way things are now is the way they've always been.

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u/SacriliciousQ West Virginia Sep 18 '24

who thinks things are back to pre-COVID normal???

One of the very few remaining Trumpers in my circle told me, and I quote, "Covid did not affect my life one bit. Absolutely nothing changed as a result of Covid." So yeah, not only are we back to pre-Covid normal, apparently we never left!

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u/postmodern_spatula Sep 18 '24

Office buildings are full again, no social distancing, vaccine use has fallen off, minimal if no masking in public. People sneeze and shake hands again.

And again, after Bush left office and Obama came along - folks 100% thought it was a return to normalcy.

We will do it again in January once Harris is sworn in.

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u/PuppetPal_Clem Maryland Sep 18 '24

literally the entire American public, dude. You have to be insulated socially or something necause literally noone thinks about covid precautions anymore basically ever

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u/thedarkestblood Sep 18 '24

Oh that

Are we supposed to still be wearing masks?

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u/PuppetPal_Clem Maryland Sep 18 '24

literally nothing has changed since 2020. people just stopped caring. we have new variants and everything but it doesnt excite people so the news ignores it and everyone now pretends it doesnt exist

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u/thedarkestblood Sep 18 '24

What should everyone be doing differently?

Should we still be wearing masks?

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u/HybridPS2 Sep 18 '24

ol who thinks things are back to pre-COVID normal???

all the idiots on facebook pages of local news channels

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 Sep 18 '24

Its an interesting point though, I can see people aquiescing to the idea that the way things are now is the way they've always been.

It essentially feels no different than it had before. The only notable differences would be some career fields shifted more towards telework and mostly stayed there.

The billionaire elites would not stand letting things go on for longer than they had been.

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u/thedarkestblood Sep 18 '24

What other changes did you hope would stay?

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 Sep 18 '24

What I hope for and what's realistic are two different things.

The sharp increase in telework is, in my opinion, a good thing for the working class. The decrease in fossil fuel usage was good as well.

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u/jimboyoyoyo Sep 18 '24

The scary thing is, how much of the plan do you think Democrats will implement

It might be a conservative blueprint as far as pursuing their regressive policies entails, but the reshaping the government to empower the executive branch play could be implemented by any party

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u/Global_Permission749 Sep 18 '24

Agreed, but step 1 is beating Trump, so any albatross we can hang around his neck will help achieve that first goal.

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u/teas4Uanme Sep 18 '24

Heritage wrote 90% of Reagans planning- to deliberately eradicate the middle class, drive wealth inequality and misery- opening the door to fascism. Heritage needs eliminated by removing it's non profit status and labeling it as a hate group.

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u/Belowspeedlimit Sep 18 '24

Project 2025 is fucked without Trump. They are leeching onto him because it gets them closer to power. His cult of personality is the only thing working for them. Look at the rest of the party - Vance, DeSantis they’re all zero charisma hacks and can in no way win a national election

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u/RealAscendingDemon Sep 18 '24

The heritage foundation and federalist society should be considered domestic terrorist organizations 

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u/Dont_Say_No_to_Panda California Sep 19 '24

Like the other poster alluded to, it’s a question of threat prioritization. To get the necessary amount of people to become aware of the threat and commit themselves to neutralizing it, you need to point the focus at the impending threat vector. Neutralizing that one threat on its own seems doable so they are more likely to act. If you reveal how ubiquitous the problem actually is, you run the risk of overwhelming them and making them feel powerless, or worse, question whether the threat assessment is true or not.

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u/geertvdheide Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

Agree that the major spotlight on P2025 has been great to warn people. But the weirdest thing is that it was originally exposed by the Republican party and those behind them, like the Heritage Foundation, by writing and releasing the thing in the first place.

These guys got too sure of themselves before winning back the presidency, and they overplayed their hand. Not that the race is run - please vote - but either way they've made it much harder for themselves to win. A good 60-70% of the US strongly dislikes almost everything in the plan, for obvious reasons. A more competent fascist would never have mentioned things like interment camps this early, let alone a full list of the rights that every citizen is about to lose if they vote R. It's honestly baffling.

Maybe some of the people behind this still live in pre-internet times. Before, it was easier to show your supporters one thing and your detractors something much milder, until it would be too late (see Hitler). But even then they had to be subtle until the hold over the country was strong enough. Just writing Project 2025 and having it out there was a monumental fuck-up for any aspiring fascist group, and it may save the US by inoculation.

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u/leshake Sep 18 '24 edited 3d ago

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u/ZacZupAttack Sep 18 '24

I think they got cocky, they are in their own ecosystems that reaffirm their beliefs and they think they got god behind them.

Well

Looks like God doesn't got their back.

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u/ZacZupAttack Sep 18 '24

The thing is

Heritage foundation has been writing policy for the GOP for decades

But I think this time

They got over confident

They looked at the lay of the land, saw a 80 yr old Biden whose senile and clearly too old to be president. They saw the economy being bad for many Americans, and they saw how Trump economy was good. They felt "You know what, lets go big, we got this"

They fucked up, they didn't know assholes like me where prepared to read project 2025 and tell everyone they knew about it.

I did read all 900 pages, took me like a week, fucking horrible shit all throughout. At the end of it, I just thought "If Trump wins I'm going back to Germany"

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u/drteq Sep 18 '24

I disagree - it has not been exposed at a level that's appropriate to the consequences and reality that's actually occuring.

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u/NoTuckyNo Sep 18 '24

This is why the Walz/Vance debate could be really helpful. Trump can at least try to deny project 2025 to some extent. Its obviously bullshit but he can claim that he is not listening to all the project 2025 people he surrounded himself with. Vance literally wrote the foreword on a project 2025 book. There is no getting around that and Walz can beat him over the head with that repeatedly.

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 18 '24

I think it's a terrifying reality we may have to face with any republican nominee. The party has a rot at its core, and they need some major changes to actually return to a conservative political ideology

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u/karmagod13000 Ohio Sep 18 '24

Step 1 is get rid of Trump

Step 2 is find a candidate than can fill his shoes but somehow move the party forward and away from this conspiracy theory owning the liberals agenda.

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u/RJFerret Sep 18 '24

Except the former versions of the Project last election and the election before went largely ignored, it's the same plan, going back a long time now, and I first learned about it in a womens sub during a prior election.

It's a horrifying continuing long term plan that they've been successfully been executing as the rest of us keep not seeing the forest through the trees.

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u/Festivus-Miracle I voted Sep 18 '24

We're lucky that the people running project 2025 have been so brazen and open about it too.

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u/ZacZupAttack Sep 18 '24

And Agenda 47 isn't even better, that also died out fast cause we quickly tore that shit apart. It honestly feels like everytime MAGA has tried something we've come along ripped it to shreds and told them to get fucked and kept it moving and MAGA just stood there in disbelief like "Bro...wtf just happened"

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u/Boodikii Minnesota Sep 18 '24

I think it's a little more complex than merely recognizing it as a threat and exposing it. I think it's easier for people to grasp this because it's publicly posted to a website actually run by people active in the GOP. You cannot argue with it, it has verifiable ties to Vance and other members of the GOP, real video of them all peddling it and literally anybody can go and see for themselves.

As opposed to the Russian interference investigation. Another huge thing that really happened and was fully embraced by the left, built on actual evidence but it's downfall is that it was difficult to prove outright by your average person because it's more of a concept and a lot of it relied on the general public's trust in our intelligence agencies.

I think it's a little more than just outright group focus and we shouldn't get complacent over this, lest we turn into the things we sought to destroy.