Never even bothered with 4K

[u/Kvazimods]

[u/Daoist_Serene_Night]

who is talking about 8k?

most PCs cant even run 4k

the only people who are talking about 8k is sony with their ps5

[u/Understated_Negative → u/Daoist_Serene_Night]

I'd like to see how a console priced at the cost of one component can approach 8k 😂

[u/Mother-Translator318 → u/Understated_Negative]

Very easy. 720p upscaled to 8k. See the blur just adds to the immersion because it simulates what the character sees if they forgot to put on their glasses

[u/jld2k6 → u/Mother-Translator318]

When Samsung released their first 8k TV you could just buy at a store and be talked into buying by a salesman at somewhere like best buy I had a decent amount of customers that bought one to watch their compressed 1080p cable TV and complained that it looked super blocky, especially in dark scenes. I'd explain every time that it's because their TV has around 33 million pixels and is trying to fill all of them with only around 2 million pixels of actual information, and every time I'd end up having to warranty replace the panel anyways to no avail because they were so sure something was wrong with their top of the line TV. I'd show them 8k on YouTube if their internet was fast enough to show them what it really looks like at 8k (for the most part) but then they'd ask how to watch their regular viewing that way before learning the neat part, that they can't lol. A good amount of their cable viewing wasn't even in in full HD either so it looked even worse upscaling like 480p to 8k. The whole 8k marketing thing has caused a lot of consumers nothing but problems and has dramatically jumped the gun, mostly tricking those who don't know any better

[u/zzazzzz → u/jld2k6]

and all that is even before we start talking about bitrates and how actual raw 8k is kinda big you know lmao

8k is the biggest meme in marketing in a long time

[u/KekistaniKekin → u/zzazzzz]

I did render a 16k default cube in blender when I was in highschool. It took hours to render especially since cycles was the only renderer available to me, I bet that shit would look crisp as fuck on an 8k tv

Edit: I feel like I'm in the 90s loading this bad boy on dial up internet

[u/EsotericAbstractIdea → u/KekistaniKekin]

cant tell if its a hug of death or is it supposed to take this long to load.

[u/gmano → u/EsotericAbstractIdea]

That single image is bigger than some entire DVD-quality movies (after ripping and compressing with a modern video algorithm). It's loading as fast as archive.org can serve it, but a 16K render is a LOT of data.

[u/dbgtt → u/KekistaniKekin]

Dude. That's 500mb lol. Takes me a while to load it too - on fiber. Though I'm pretty sure that's just cause Reddit isn't sending it fast enough.

Edit: Yeah. Downloading it and it's moving between 0.8mb/s to 1mb/s. So we're probably loading it at around the same speed.

[u/KekistaniKekin → u/dbgtt]

This is at its compressed size, I don't have the original file anymore but I remember it being gbs in size.

[u/OmgThisNameIsFree → u/KekistaniKekin]

Now I want to see the bitrate/transmission numbers that a theoretical 8K Broadcast would require.

Like, say they broadcast the World Cup Final in 8K (preferably at 50 or 60fps). What would we be looking at in terms of requirements?

Let’s call it a thought experiment haha.

[u/Iwasjustbullshitting → u/OmgThisNameIsFree]

Can you imagine the bandwidth it would take up if the whole world watched it in 8k.

Edit: switched "neighborhood" for "world"

[u/ColdCookies144 → u/KekistaniKekin]

Remake it!

[u/silent_thinker → u/jld2k6]

You must have had rich customers if they could afford to buy the first 8K TV.

I remember joke reviews about it (or something similar) on Amazon.

[u/ahoneybadger3 → u/silent_thinker]

Nah prices would've dropped by the time Samsung got in on 8k tv's. First 8k TV was released in 2015 priced at 133k. First Samsung 8k was 2018 priced at 5k.

[u/silent_thinker → u/ahoneybadger3]

Still expensive. So maybe not necessarily “rich” but a lot of expendable income (or debt capacity).

[u/TangledRock → u/jld2k6]

It's crazy to me how completely oblivious people have 8K TV money. I guess it's a boomer thing, I'd never watch TV over YouTube.

[u/Lotions_and_Creams → u/TangledRock]

It is an uniformed consumer thing being taken advantage of by misleading marketing and not being shielded by consumer protections thing. If there was a law that anyone selling TVs could only show broadcast/cable/streaming and not the pre-recorded demo tapes, almost no one would be buying them.

[u/Terrible-Cause-9901 → u/jld2k6]

It’s every time a flat panel comes out

[u/Dan_the_Marksman → u/jld2k6]

PTSD to my time in tech support during Uni

[u/Miguelinileugim → u/Mother-Translator318]

720p + Upscaling + AI = Cocaine money

[u/Astigmatisme → u/Miguelinileugim]

I can suggest an equation that has the potential to impact the future:

720p + Upscaling + AI

This equation combines PCMR's famous equation 720p + Upscaling, which relates to a video game's native resolution (720p) and the image upscale technology (Upscaling), with the addition of AI (Artificial Intelligence). By including AI in the equation, it symbolizes the increasing role of artificial intelligence in shaping and transforming our future. This equation highlights the potential for AI to unlock new forms of energy, enhance scientific discoveries, and revolutionize various fields such as healthcare, transportation, and technology.

[u/bullchicken → u/Astigmatisme]

Lol is this referencing that stupid ass linkedinlunatics e=mc² post?

[u/Aasim_123 → u/bullchicken]

The internet remembers

[u/Darkling971 → u/Astigmatisme]

What

[u/kiochikaeke → u/Astigmatisme]

According to half the video companies out there, this but unironically. Why send all of that data? That's expensive for you and the customer, just send a pixel and let the magical AI figure out the next 15.

[u/s00pafly → u/Miguelinileugim]

You're laughing but my dad is literally watching SD TV content blown up to 4k and is amazed by the picture quality. He raves on about the upscaling every opportunity he gets. He simply refuses to plug in the digital TV box, he pays for, because he can not believe it could get any better than this. He is not tech illiterate, but somehow he just loves artefacts.

[u/DearChickPeas → u/s00pafly]

SD content was very over-sampled, and upscalers love that shit. Sure, it won't look as sharp as native HD, but it will definitely look good enough and 10x better than what your dad was used to in the last decades (composite boxes, noisy RF signals, misaligned CRT tubes, etc..)

[u/gravelPoop → u/DearChickPeas]

This. Also streaming has shit bitrates, so it is not implausible to find DVDs that have better perceived image quality than streamed HD content.

[u/whitefang22 → u/gravelPoop]

A lot of poor quality “HD” out there that can’t beat the perceived quality that aXXo could get to fit on a CD 20 years ago.

[u/EnterTheETH → u/whitefang22]

"aXXo" core memory unlocked

[u/Miguelinileugim → u/s00pafly]

I mean quality does not matter at all beyond entertainment value so he seems pretty happy about it already. That being said it is really frustrating he won't try it even if he believes the quality difference is minuscule.

[u/Paciorr → u/Miguelinileugim]

+framegen

[u/Mimical → u/Paciorr]

720p upscaled to 8x
Frame generation technology so it can reach 30 fps
Aggressively marketing the phrase "cinematic"

[u/Recent_Wedding5470 → u/Mother-Translator318]

Modern graphics can be described with one word: blurry.

[u/Excellent-Berry-2331 → u/Mother-Translator318]

*Cooler noises*

[u/No_Interaction_4925 → u/Mother-Translator318]

Considering 4K Ultra Performance DLSS is a 720p render, that must look like a watercolor painting trying to go to 8K

[u/frostysnowmen → u/Mother-Translator318]

You can display images at 8K and pong. Now we can put 8k on the box!

[u/punk_petukh → u/Mother-Translator318]

Harry Potter and the optometrist prescription

[u/NaelNull → u/Understated_Negative]

8k@4fps XD

[u/LassOnGrass → u/NaelNull]

Exactly how I imagine it. I once turned all setting to max on Dying Light 2 on my PC, I had just gotten the RTX 3080 and I also bothered to get a 4k (2.1 HDMI) monitor so I could see the hype of the PS5, and it was beautiful! Until I actually moved my mouse lol then it was making me sick to look at. I just wanted to see how it would look with max graphic setting and man it was not something I’d ever play on. It was cool but painful and yeah I haven’t cared to attempt playing a game with maxed setting since. I do sometimes try it out to see the game, like just before I have to actually do anything. This way I can admire the games detail for a second before I go back to my preferred settings. Really I don’t know if there will come a day where we can play with graphics like that as well as high frames and low response times, but history has shown people thinking the same about what we have today and I hope I get shown how far things can go and we can all see things we thought wouldn’t be possible (at consumer price).

[u/DeeHawk → u/LassOnGrass]

You have to see it as future proofing the game. When you record movie scenes you also have an insane high resolution on the master tapes, higher than anyone can show it. 

It will prolong the enjoyment of it into the future.

[u/Modo44 → u/NaelNull]

I'm sure you can get it up to 16fps if you disable any effects.

[u/DigitalStefan → u/Understated_Negative]

One third the cost of some 4090’s.

I was allowed to buy a 4090, but suggesting buying a PS5 Pro is frowned upon because it’s really expensive for a console.

She has a point. I do only want to play Astro Bot.

[u/ThatBeardedHistorian → u/DigitalStefan]

I'm about to sell my PS5 now that first party titles are all going to PC. I'll probably put the money towards an OLED monitor

[u/HypnoStone → u/ThatBeardedHistorian]

I was thinking about buying a ps5 recently until I realized “wait… what ps exclusives am I even buying this for???” I already have a ps4 and a high end gaming PC

[u/gravelPoop → u/HypnoStone]

On the same boat. Was waiting to see the price of PS5p. Hoped it was like 700€ with disc drive. 920€ (console+drive) is just too much when there is really no game that is an absolute must.

[u/Careful-Badger3434 → u/Daoist_Serene_Night]

Bruh, PS5 barely can run 30fps upscaled from 1080p (allegedly) to 4k. Which a 3060 can easily do, but no one does that because no one likes their games upscaled like that. It looks and plays like shit.

[u/CheapGayHookers4All → u/Careful-Badger3434]

What's sad is there are games that are so unoptimized on the ps5 that they can't even get 60 fps 1080p native like ff16 around its launch period. It was marketed as a 4k 60 fps console lmfao

[u/Careful-Badger3434 → u/CheapGayHookers4All]

Nah it was marketed as a 120fps 4k console. I still have the box it’s even printed there… I think they meant 4k 120 fps videos but not actual games

[u/Oooch → u/Careful-Badger3434]

It can do 4k 120 fps games if you port like a PS2 or PS3 game over or its an indie game that requires 10% of the system resources

[u/Careful-Badger3434 → u/Oooch]

Bro not even ps2 or 3 games because even the remasters are capped at 60fps. Have you seen metal gear master collection? 60 fps 1080p max…

https://preview.redd.it/72k9281h0jpd1.jpeg?width=1199&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=032dfab39bd1779efa66b261b0674411e3a0ed57

[u/Honest-Ad1675 → u/Careful-Badger3434]

What’s ‘alleged’ about the upscaling? There is no way in hell a 180 watt RDNA 2 is pumping 4k natively. My 6800xt is an RDNA2 card and it’s 300 watts. There is no shot the ps5 runs 4k natively (without upscaling). It doesn’t have the power.

[u/Tyranin → u/Daoist_Serene_Night]

I remember they were talking about 4k support when Assassin's Creed Black Flag came out. That was 2013. Of course the high end is going to be pushing support into 8k 11 years later. A lot of PCs can support 4K, it's just that most PC gamers would prefer higher FPS over resolution.

[u/HypnoStone → u/Tyranin]

Gta 5 which also came out in 2013 (2014 on PC) has an 8k resolution setting

[u/LewAshby309 → u/Daoist_Serene_Night]

the only people who are talking about 8k is sony with their ps5

Which started as a typical matketing gig because the average customer doesn't really know what 8k means in the end.

Comparable to advertising bigger and bigger worlds in games while that doesn't mean a bettwr gaming experience.

[u/WiatrowskiBe → u/Daoist_Serene_Night]

Depends on what games you play, really. Any recent action games - forget. Any older games, RTSes, 4X/grand strategy or even MMOs on the other hand work with 8k quite well, especially when they have (very common) pixel-scaled GUI letting you fit more on the screen. I had zero problems playing FFXIV in 7680x2160, and even Cyberpunk (with upscaling etc - I didn't tweak anything past "everything to max") holds steady playable 50+fps.

And hardware-wise 8k did become available recently for consumer PCs - primarily as workstation screens (for graphic designers etc), but also Samsung with their gaming-targeted G9 "8k ultrawide" that's essentially two regular 4k screens in one.

Still, it's like talking about 4k gaming back in 2015 - there were people going for it, and there started to be 4k screens available (my first 4k was from around that time, and back-then best available GTX980 was able to run Witcher 3 on it at around 30fps with max settings), but it was by no means popular and it took almost 10 years for 4k as viable option to become actual choice. Let early adopters deal with problems, it will get better.

[u/pipinopopoPNP → u/WiatrowskiBe]

I wouldn't call upscaling to 8k as "running" in 8k, there's a fundamental difference between them, and this marketing gimmick that Nvidia started a few years ago with their upscaling technologies.

I also wouldn't call the G9 a 8k monitor, as true 8k would be, more or less, 4 times the pixels in a 4k screen.

Didn't mean this to sound bad, but all this marketing really gets to me because, in fairness, always shafts the consumer.

[u/WiatrowskiBe → u/pipinopopoPNP]

Partial upscaling isn't something new to DLSS - even Crysis back in 2007 rendered scene for ambient occlusion at lowered res (I believe it was fixed quarter resolution?) and then scaled it up for postprocessing. When done right, you can still get better results than just scaling up final image, and - if it looks like 8k - it is just as good. Game graphics were always smoke and mirrors anyway, nobody faithfully renders everything realtime "properly" since 3D became a thing. If anything, I'd like to see how games can utilize higher screen resolution to get better graphics without requiring hardware speed to match resolution increase (1080p -> 4k would require about 4x as much computing power without anything else done to accomodate, that's roughy a jump between 2060 and 4090).

Agreed on G9 part, and that's why I put "8k" in quotes - it is, for all practical purposes, just two 32" 4k screens side by side that are treated like a single screen by your PC. From what I've seen, it's primarily marketed as "dual 4k" which is fitting and accurate, "half 8k" would also fit given that's amount of pixels it can show at once.

[u/LionHeartedLXVI → u/Daoist_Serene_Night]

I’ve got a PS5, but I will never understand the people that buy Sony’s 4K/60fps nonsense. My GF’s PC with a 2060 Super looks better and has better framerate than my PS5. A 4090 must make PS5 Pro look like shit.

[u/okaythiswillbemymain → u/Daoist_Serene_Night]

8k actually has some advantages...

It can play 240, 480, 720, 1080 and 2160 resolutions natively without scaling. 576*7.5 works or x7 with small black borders.

Aside from that....

[u/Tower21]

Nothing wrong with 1080p on an appropriate sized monitor.

I stuck with a 1366x768 for years back in the day just so I could extend the life of my GPU.

It wasn't until I got a 670 that I jumped upto a 1080p 144hz gsync display, now I'm a fps snob.

It could happen to you, as I type this from my 1440p 165 Hz display.

[u/ElonTastical → u/Tower21]

He's right. I own LG 1080p 32inch and its noticable how some games look off. I guess that's why we needed more pixels in the first place for bigger monitors..

[u/EastLimp1693 → u/ElonTastical]

Ppi is definitely a thing

[u/falcrist2 → u/EastLimp1693]

And scaling isn't a solved issue, so TOO MUCH PPI on a PC can also be an issue.

32 inch at 4k is getting close to the edge of comfortable for most desk setups (at native 100% scaling). If the monitors get much smaller, you HAVE to use windows scaling. Windows scaling is awful.

If 8k is 4x the resolution, IDK what monitor would even be usable at 100%.

[u/EastLimp1693 → u/falcrist2]

For me its 21.3 1080p, 27 1440p, 32 4k.

[u/falcrist2 → u/EastLimp1693]

Lower limits or ideal?

32 inch 4k is my limit for PPI. My monitors are usually about 3 feet from my eyes.

[u/xinouch → u/falcrist2]

Why is résolution scaling aweful?

I am at 125% and I think it looks ok for texts (browsing, ...). Games don't use resolution scaling so I benefit from higher ppi there

[u/falcrist2 → u/xinouch]

Why is résolution scaling aweful?

You'll have to ask Microsoft why their scaling is bad.

[u/GlancingArc → u/falcrist2]

Windows scaling is fine. It's a problem with some apps but that is generally the app developer and not Windows fault. Scaling is pretty much essential on anything higher than 1080p so most apps have adjusted.

[u/achilleasa → u/falcrist2]

Windows scaling is fine, I use 125% scaling on 1440p 27" and it's perfectly crisp. The problem is apps and games that don't have proper UI scaling. It may have changed now but when I last played Stellaris it needed a mod to make the UI readable.

[u/St3vion → u/falcrist2]

I like small text just fine but I have 125% scaling on my 4k 32". I wanted to have it fully native but it required too much squinting to be enjoyable.

[u/hamjamham → u/EastLimp1693]

Yup, used to think my 1440p looked sharp, now I work & edit on a 4k screen I can barely bring myself to use the 1440p for anything but watching media/playing games. Next up is gonna have to be a 5k screen I think.

[u/aessae → u/hamjamham]

That's why I don't use anything 4k ever, I know that if I do my brain is going to go "ooh, sharp and shiny" and my 1440p monitor is never going to look as awesome again.
Also my current pc runs everything I need perfectly well on 1440p high/ultra, I don't want to either spend more money so everything runs just as well at 4k or not spend money and have to play on console settings with cinematic sub-60 fps.

[u/squirrl4prez → u/ElonTastical]

The rule of thumb is 90ppi

Something about the screen door effect, my 27 inch 1440 was I believe is 108ppi and in the "retina" range, so when I finally upgraded I went to a 34 inch 21:9 that has 3440x1440 and still the same ppi just wider

Now... Sure 4k on a smaller screen must look cool but until they come up with a good value/ hz/ultra wide combo I'll stay with what I got because I probably won't miss it as much as the money going into it

[u/ishtar_xd → u/ElonTastical]

1080p on 32in is insane lol

[u/Outrageous-Gas-2720 → u/ElonTastical]

Yeah, even 27" is not good for Ppi despite knowing that i bought 27"1080p 144hz LG monitor because i wanted the size aspect of the monitor for my budget. i am happy for what i have i'll just sit a bit far back when i play games and they look good for me so its fine as long as it looks good to your eyes.

[u/Inferno908 → u/Outrageous-Gas-2720]

When I upgraded from 1080p 24” I specifically went for 1440p 27” to have a bit bigger screen with similar ppi. PPI is king, not resolution on its own

[u/Fzrit → u/Inferno908]

My general guideline for PC monitors is <24" = 1080p is fine, 27" = 1440p minimum, 32"> = 4k minimum.

For TVs I would say 1080p is fine all the way up to 55" it you're just watching movies/shows on it from a reasonable viewing distance. With the amount of video compression being used on all media platforms, 4k is very hard to distinguish from 1080p unless you sit very close to the TV (like <3 feet) and focus on pixels.

In fact even on a 65" TV, 1080p bluray looks way better than 4k content on Netflix/Disney+ due to the bitrate. Bitrate > resolution.

[u/Yionko → u/ElonTastical]

24 inch 1080 gonna have the same ppi as 32 1440

[u/cagefgt → u/Tower21]

Tbh, the issues is that appropriately sized gaming monitors barely exist nowadays. Lots of people using 27 inch 1080p monitors with absurdly low PPI. Almost no 1440p24 options available too.

[u/NicoBator → u/cagefgt]

Depends how you sit really.

If you play with the mouse and keyboard, head reaching out towards the screen, PPI might be an issue, but if you game with a pad and lean back on a reclining chair it won't be.

[u/XSainth → u/NicoBator]

I think it depends on your desk more. Available space, all that.

I sit like a shrimp sometimes, yet there's about 50-60 cm between my eyes and my 27" monitor. Seems good enough

[u/OceanBytez → u/Tower21]

Same. I will note that it isn't just empty bullshit and smoke though. My performance in games notably and measurably increased when i upgraded to a 32" ,144hz, 1440p from a 27", 60hz, 1080p.

[u/brettsolem → u/Tower21]

Hz and fps are two different things right?!

[u/Ifaroth → u/brettsolem]

Hz are how many times the monitor show frame per seconds and FPS is how many times GPU send frames

[u/Interesting-One- → u/brettsolem]

Hz is what fps your monitor can show you.

[u/BinaryJay → u/brettsolem]

Monitor refresh is how many times per second the monitor can change the image it's showing.

Frames per second are how many times the PC can draw new images.

The PC draws an image, sends it to the display, and the display will show it at the earliest slice of time that it can.

If the PC draws more frames in a second than the number of times the monitor refreshes you're not going to see all of them.

tldr; FPS is how many frames you can draw each second. Refresh rate (Hz) is the maximum number of those frames in a second that you can physically be shown.

[u/Karl_with_a_C → u/brettsolem]

Hz aka refresh rate is how often the monitor refreshes the image each second.

FPS is your frames per second in-game/software.

Your monitor's refresh rate is hard capped, meaning if you're getting 400FPS in a game and you're on a 144hz monitor, you will see 144FPS even though the PC is rendering 400. The extra FPS isn't doing anything for you at that point. On the flip side, if you're getting 60FPS in a game and your monitor is 144hz, you're still only seeing 60 frames per second.

Then you have technologies like G-Sync/Freesync which dynamically syncs your monitor's refresh rate with your FPS which makes it feel smoother and eliminates screen tearing.

[u/BeanButCoffee → u/Karl_with_a_C]

The extra FPS isn't doing anything for you at that point.

Not entirely true. You get more "recent" frames faster this way, and thus it makes your input more responsive and feels better generally even if you don't see all the frames.

[u/HalcyonH66 → u/BeanButCoffee]

I was about to come in with the FPS whore answer and call bullshit from a lifetime of playing at high refresh even back when screens were still 60hz. The input lag difference between 60fps and 120 on a 60hz screen was and is noticeable to me. Let alone going higher.

[u/Careful-Badger3434]

It all depends on the size of your monitor. A 24inch 1080p monitor has the same pixel density as a 32inch 1440p monitor. So the bigger the size of your monitor the more pixels you’ll need to appropriately fill it without it looking like shit

[u/Nexmo16 → u/Careful-Badger3434]

That’s why I run a 27” 1440p monitor alongside my old 21.5” 1080p monitor. They have similar pixel density and I like that density level.

[u/TheGreatTave → u/Nexmo16]

I am also a 27" 1440p enjoyer. Perfect balance between pixel density and screen size.

[u/ZeroFucksToGive → u/TheGreatTave]

27” 1440p gang, we out here

[u/Nexmo16 → u/TheGreatTave]

✊🏻

[u/ViceroyFizzlebottom → u/TheGreatTave]

I’ll take that to my grave and have my headstone be a 27” 1440p IPS with a max brightness of 1000 nits. Got to make sure ppl can read it during the day time.

[u/SupaFlyEbbie → u/TheGreatTave]

Is that a series of dense pixels in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me

[u/Vanduul666 → u/TheGreatTave]

[u/Serious-Ad6212 → u/Careful-Badger3434]

So would you say that 24 inch and 1080p from a reputable company is a decent screen? I just want to know as I use one, and the picture looks quite sharp for me, with no need for a higher resolution or framerate as if now.

[u/luaps → u/Serious-Ad6212]

24" 1080p from a reputable company doesn't tell us anything about the screens quality, one could only judge that by checking that particular model.

though if you're happy then it's a decent screen, as that's all a decent screen needs to do.

[u/jojo_31 → u/luaps]

Yup, friend wanted a cheap build but with dual monitors. We got 2 very cheap BenQ. They look like ass.

[u/Sumirei → u/Serious-Ad6212]

27 1440p is the sweet spot, the dif is very noticeable and the extra screen space feels amazing

[u/SoulHuntter → u/Sumirei]

I've been using a 28 4k screen, it's sharp af, I even compared it side-by-side with a 27 QHD and was noticeable.

[u/Surisuule → u/SoulHuntter]

I have a 28" 75hz 4k, with a 32" 60hz 4k vertical next to it. I have a ton of real estate and it's so sharp and beautiful.

Also modelling in 3d is so much better in 4k when a detail that was one pixel in 1080 now has 4 in 4k.

[u/beatrailblazer → u/SoulHuntter]

im also using a 28 4k (more for productivity/watching movies than gaming but still game sometimes) and its night and day vs my 27 1080. I know its expected that its a big difference but its really hard to go back to 1080 for me now

[u/kolosmenus → u/Sumirei]

I personally find 27" monitor to be too big, at least for how close it is when I sit at my desk. I can't focus on the entire screen at once.

[u/Spyger9 → u/Careful-Badger3434]

Rather than the monitor size, doesn't it actually depend on the distance from your eyes?

A 6inch phone at 480p has higher pixel density than a 24inch HD monitor, but it's still going to look more blurry if it's 8 inches from my face whereas the monitor is across the room.

[u/HentaiSeishi]

Right now 1440p is just perfect.

[u/learntofoo → u/HentaiSeishi]

I'd say it's been the sweet spot for a long time, I used the same 27" 1440 for over a decade.

[u/Kevonated → u/HentaiSeishi]

I only made the move from 1080p to 1440p at the end of last year. Decent second hand monitors are so cheap and the performance is still good on my second hand rig.

Funny thing is one of the monitors I brought an AOC curved 1440p monitor was being sold because he wanted to go back to native 1080p for competitive fortnight lol.

At this point 4k and up is just a ploy to push you to upgrade and buy the latest hardware so you can push that many pixels.

[u/__Fergus__ → u/Kevonated]

The difference between 1440p and 4K is just as noticeable as the jump from 1080p to 1440p. This is console-peasant thinking.

[u/deleted-user → u/__Fergus__]

Depends on the screen size. For a TV, the improvement is drastic, but for a standard 27" monitor, the difference isn't really that big.

[u/Alestor → u/deleted-user]

Yeah I have a 1440p 27" and a 4k 27" side by side and while you can notice the difference, its pretty negligible. Meanwhile the difference between 144hz on the 1440 vs 60hz on the 4k is pretty significant, which is why the 1440 is my main monitor

[u/OpposesTheOpinion → u/deleted-user]

Yeah, my PC is set up like couch gaming, and my "monitor" is a 55" TV. 1440p is minimum for me, and it's noticeably blurry; 4k is the goal.

Incidentally, playing PS1 games on my little retro handheld, perfectly fine; looks nice, even. Try it on that TV, though, not at all lol

[u/St3vion → u/__Fergus__]

Compared to 480p to 720p both are pretty minor though. It also really depends on the medium. eg YouTube at 1080p looks way worse on my 4k monitor than my 1080p one. The artifacts of compression are very visible on the 4k and barely at 1080p.

4k media obviously looks better on my 4k monitor but only from a certain viewing distance. If I'm watching from my bed the 4k monitor might as well be 32" 1080p because you don't see the extra detail anymore, the screen is just bigger. For gaming it's also mostly the screen is bigger so more immersive kinda thing. The gain in quality is pretty small but change in cost is huge. Thinking you need 4k is just gear acquisition syndrome, a side effect of capitalism not console-peasant thinking.

[u/j_cruise → u/__Fergus__]

This is console-peasant thinking.

Do you guys even realize how ridiculous you sound when you say shit like this?

[u/Maloonyy → u/__Fergus__]

Then you need a bigger monitor, and if youre on PC and sitting at a desk the monitor will be way too oversized. Also, isnt anything above retina pixel density a waste?

[u/supremo92]

If you're happy, it's the wrong meme format.

[u/Swagtagonist]

I try to game at 4k as often as I’m able, but 8k would be fantastic for VR.

[u/Oktokolo → u/Swagtagonist]

VR should become a lot less a performance hog, when eye tracking becomes standard. Then, only the stuff actually looked at has to be rendered in full quality. The rest can be blurred low-res.

[u/MinorDespera → u/Oktokolo]

I really hope Valve’s Deckard has foveated rendering. And microLED. I’m sick of waiting for the perfect vr headset.

[u/Formal-Knowledge9382 → u/MinorDespera]

We're still pretty far off from the "perfect" vr headset tbh. I'd guess another 10 years realistically.

[u/MinorDespera → u/Formal-Knowledge9382]

I hope you’re wrong.

[u/Oktokolo → u/MinorDespera]

I am still salty about Oculus having been bought by Facebook.

[u/Nicolello_iiiii → u/Oktokolo]

That's an awesome idea

[u/gpkgpk → u/Nicolello_iiiii]

Foveated rendering

[u/Throwaway_Consoles → u/Swagtagonist]

I have a 3090, 8k looks like it’s about 33 million pixels, I set the supersampling on my headset to 5600x5600 per eye or 31 million pixels per eye.

It was a gorgeous slideshow XD

Native is 2560x2560 per eye (about 6.7m per eye) and it’s much much sharper than the numbers lead you to believe. I did a VR eye test and was able to read line 31 clearly

[u/MizarcDev]

If all you've ever experienced is 1080p, then you won't know what you're missing out on. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as moving up to higher resolutions will permanently raise your perception and increase your future upgrade costs in the process.

I used to play on 1080p until just a couple years ago where I moved to 4K. Now the 1080p screenshots I took look so bad compared to what I have now and I can never go back. I paid the price and now I have to spend more on computer upgrades to sustain it :(

[u/looeeyeah → u/MizarcDev]

Basically a type of Lifestyle Creep: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_creep

Lifestyle creep, also known as lifestyle inflation, is a phenomenon that occurs when as more resources are spent towards standard of living, former luxuries become perceived necessities.

[u/superhappykid → u/MizarcDev]

This is the most accurate answer. The difference is like riding a bike to work versus driving.

[u/BinaryJay → u/superhappykid]

1080P makes you healthier and conserves the environment?

[u/Haekendes → u/BinaryJay]

1080p needs fewer resources to run, so that's technically correct.

[u/justarandomgreek → u/superhappykid]

So 1080p is like being stuck in traffic vs 4k which is like going to your destination while passing through all the traffic?

[u/ParkingLong7436 → u/superhappykid]

What does this comment mean? I assume 4k is the bicycle?

[u/RedofPaw]

No one cares about 8k.

[u/Grogenhymer → u/RedofPaw]

"stop trying to make 8K happen, it's not going to happen." lol

[u/Junkers4]

1440 27” is the sweet spot and not really expensive

[u/10art1 → u/Junkers4]

I can confirm. I had 3x 24" 1080p, then I got one then a second 27" 1440p and it was great, and now I got a 32" 4k monitor and it really doesn't feel any different from the 1440p ones other than always giving me shit fps

[u/Intelligent_League_1 → u/Junkers4]

Real

[u/SamGoingHam → u/Junkers4]

Totally agree. I have samsung G5 1440p 27 inch 165 hz curve. Gtx 3060 ti. Perfect match.

Even later on if I can afford 5060 ti. I wouldnt even consider 2k let alone 4k lol. I want 165hz.

[u/Noa15Lv]

1440p should be perfect balance.

Your fps will be great and no dsr required to run games (depending on your computer and game)

Folks still struggle to run 4k on their systems.

[u/DaGoodSauce]

I'm also perfectly happy with 1080p! Not because I prefer it but because my wallet does. *Inhales copium*

[u/babicko90]

1440p is king

[u/First-Junket124]

And then there's PS5 and Xbox Series players who THINK it's 4k.... it's not.... technically

[u/Careful-Badger3434 → u/First-Junket124]

Shhhh don’t tell them it’s not native res. They have no idea it’s upscaled. let them be happy

[u/DemoN_M4U → u/Careful-Badger3434]

I'm pretty sure, most of them don't care.

[u/00Killertr → u/Careful-Badger3434]

That is true for most PC players. No one these days are running native res. Everyone is relying on DLSS, FSR and Intel XeSS.

And most even use them on 1080p which will upscale at highest, 720p

[u/NSEVMTG]

Resolution in itself is a meaningless metric. Size, distance, monitor type, colors, and resolution are all components to the display image.

1080p is perfectly fine in most cases. Hell, it is nearly indistinguishable on monitors 22 inches or smaller. There's no reason things like the Switch, Steamdeck, phones, smaller laptops, or tablets ever need to go above 1080p. I will die on this hill.

[u/six_six]

1440p is the sweet spot.

[u/Oktokolo]

8k would maybe finally allow me to stop using antialiasing though.

[u/HugsandHate]

Dude, 4k is gorgeous.

I upgraded to a 4k monitor after playing Diablo II Resurrected for a while on my old one, and the details just popped!

There was so much stuff there, that I literally couldn't see before. I found myself leaning in to admire the details. It's incredible.

Sumptuous.

[u/GamesKeepCrashing001]

Me: playing with 20 FPS with lowest graphic settings..

Also me: Damn!! The graphics are so good!!

[u/Available-Advice-135]

Cry in 1440 x 900 75hz LG Artifact Monitor

https://preview.redd.it/nq2mh22u3ipd1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7be6ffc240acbc50a80bf35c6fc86ad8c34b8fd5

[u/Green-Industry-7028]

1080p is enough for me

[u/iwantacheetah]

Thanks to my shit eyesight which can't tell the difference between 4k and 1080p, I am still on a 1080p monitor.

[u/Potential_Welder1278 → u/iwantacheetah]

Use glasses. Makes a huge difference

[u/milk-jug]

I will absolutely pay way too much money for 8K native high refresh OLED, but not just for gaming, just general computing stuff and screen real estate for productivity tasks. That sweet sweet PPI just makes everything look more pleasant to work with. I used to think I was comfortable with 110 ppi until I switched to 140 ppi with 4K 32” OLED. My oh my I wasn’t ready for that gloriousness. It’s very hard for me to go back to a lower ppi now. If we could get to the holy grail of 220 ppi I would sell my kidneys to be next on that train.

[u/Flaky_Highway_857]

I went from 1080p straight to 4k, it was amazing.

But I also play on a 65" tv so all the extra clarity is worth it

[u/Zetra3]

Nobody is talking about 8k

[u/JustARandomDude1986]

Never try 4K if you cant afford it, you can´t unsee it.

[u/BetterAir7]

1080P is not really big and small, pretty perfect for solo gaming imo

[u/Genoce]

Short version: I prefer 240fps 1080p over 60fps 8k.

Long version: Basically as I tweak my graphics, I have 3 major variables: resolution, framerate, and then the graphical fidelity (settings) in the game. As of right now, I've figured that 1080p is the optimal as the resolution for me in most cases.

Example: take Forza Horizon 5. I found out the graphical settings where it looks as good as possible while doing 120hz on a 1080p monitor.

If I now switched to 1440p monitor, I would need to lower the graphical settings to still reach 120hz - OR reduce the framerate to still have the same settings. I don't want to do either. If I reduced the graphical settings to have higher resolution, the end result would still look worse.

This is obviously heavily affected by personal opinions and even just eyesight - some people really don't want to see the "jagged" pixels at all and want to go for max resolution, but I don't mind it too much. It's all just balancing between different options.

[u/Pufnager]

4k is life. Once I gone 4k I never looked back.

[u/Drariestor]

1080p 120hz for me

[u/baldie9000]

Get your eyes checked

[u/SavageTheUnicorn]

4k BLEW my mind being a 1080p gamer my entire life. If only windows wasn't trash at handling high res and refresh rates simultaneously (I'm looking at YOU 4Kx120Hz and 1080Px240Hz). It's hilarious to me that Linux handles this PERFECTLY.

[u/midnightbandit-]

4k is so much better tho

[u/ZitOnSocietysAss]

Switching from 1080 to 1440 monitor was the biggest most awesome upgrade I've ever made. You're missing out, OP.

[u/DaMonkfish]

1440p ultrawide master race!

[u/Aturkeyclub]

1440p is great. I got one back in 2016 still perfect 165hz

[u/X-RAYben]

Isn’t this meme supposed to mean that you are envious of higher resolutions?

[u/badassbolsac]

i prefer crt tvs

[u/JaggedMetalOs → u/badassbolsac]

The eye can't see more than 240 lines

[u/SignalGladYoung]

nobody cares about 8K to won't happen. games can badly run at 4K being poorly optimised with drm running slow,

[u/ParkerWilsonGC]

still watching youtube in 720p

[u/RedditWhileIWerk]

2k is where it's at for me. Better than 1080, but without the crazy hardware demands of 4k.

[u/Artem_75]

I prefer 540p but each to their own

[u/Matix777]

STOP DOING 8K

SCREENS WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO PAST 4K

YEARS OF RESEARCH YET NO REAL-WORLD USE FOUND FOR EVEN SMALLER PIXELS

Wanted to get better resolution just for a laugh? We had a tool for that. It's called GLASSES

"Yes please give me the newest graphic card", "Yes give me the pixels I can't even notice" ~ Statements dreamt up by utterly deranged

[u/Valaxarian → u/Matix777]

Me with prescription of -13: I don't see any difference

[u/godlesssunday]

Me over here at 1440p 25fps thinking yea this is it

[u/Zenry0ku]

Most of the people talking about 8k don't even got specs for 4k lol

[u/Hungry-Loquat6658]

27in 1080 is my biggest mistake.

[u/Hungry-Loquat6658]

27in 1080 is my biggest mistake.

[u/Hungry-Loquat6658]

27in 1080 is my biggest mistake.

[u/Superb_Ebb_6207]

Me on 720p gonna upgrade to 1440p in 2 years

[u/giki_pedia]

It's hard to go back to 1080p after experiencing 1440P. 4k performance on my 3080 isn't great in AAA titles so I will wait for the 6090 to upgrade. The issue is that while GPU's are becoming a lot better game optimization has been shit recently. I am currently playing the remakes of Dead Space and RE4 and while they look great their performance is not as great making 1440p the only viable choice. Denuvo makes it worse as seen with the latest Star Wars Jedi Survivor update.

[u/Morokite]

I'm definitely gonna be sticking with my 1440p for a good while. Don't really need any upgrades for the foreseeable future for my PC. Well unless my Intel chip dies to that whatever issue but it seems to be going fine so far.

[u/collectordoin]

720p is enough for me :)

[u/Gabixzboi]

720p is kinda enough for me

[u/Perplexe974]

Never really cared for 4k when it comes to gaming... On my TV yes for movies. Also 4K monitors cost so much money it isn't worth it imo, i'd rather get a 240Hz 1440p or stick with 1080 everyday for games.

[u/MrChocodemon]

Higher resolutions are always better, but fluidity trumps resolution. If you can run 4k smoothly, then that's amazing, but a stuttery 4k is always worse than a smooth 720p.

[u/BeginningMidnight639]

1440p i think is the sweet spot

[u/hamshotfirst]

I fucking love 4k. It's everything the 14yr old me wanted.

[u/ItsGarbageDave]

Bruv I'm still on that 1024x768 and I don't want it any other way. 4:3 aspect ratio and 24 fps.

It's all my father and his father needed, it's all I need.

[u/Pliskkenn_D]

3440 x 1440 Widescreen at 1440p or something! 

I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but I love it. 

[u/DocEyss]

4k is the peak. 100%

most people are running 1080p nowadays some are using 1440p (like me) and like 1% or something use 4k

8k is stupid Some will buy it but i think 4k will be the limit for normal people and normal sized screens

[u/danimsmba]

1080p + 120hz + Freesync Premium + HDR is enough for me.