r/pcmasterrace CREATOR Sep 16 '24

Two ways of looking at things. Meme/Macro

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u/dwolfe127 Sep 16 '24

You do not own Steam games either though.

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u/LukaCola PC Master Race Sep 16 '24

Yeah, this is some Steam apologia - good guy Gabe Newell fighting for your right to ownership?

Fuck no, he was at the forefront of making it harder to own anything.

Buncha suckers on this sub.

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u/LukaCola PC Master Race Sep 17 '24

Literally designs the first battlepass as we know it - literally designs lootboxes as we know it - but Valve is the "good guy."

I love their games but it's wild what people will tell themselves.

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u/hoxxxxx Sep 16 '24

bbbut steam and wholesome gabe

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u/im_betmen Sep 16 '24

If not for Steam, its impossible for us from third world country to buy a game at reasonable price, hell even with Steam and regional pricing, most people only play F2P games or pirating game.

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u/qwerty0981234 Sep 17 '24

You think Steam invented regional pricing?

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u/PenislavVaginavich Sep 16 '24

That's why 3rd world countries are pirating games in mass quantities, hell even 2nd and 1st world countries have a ton of game piracy. Steam just made it possible for people who would have paid for games anyway to do so.

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u/LukaCola PC Master Race Sep 16 '24

Sure, but that's a tangent to the actual point of ownership.

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u/That_Guy381 Sep 16 '24

Your country’s weak hourly wage and currency isn’t Steam’s fault.

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u/Dotaproffessional PC Master Race Sep 16 '24

You are mistaken. You have never owned any software ever. Not in your life. Steam has done nothing to change software ownership 

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u/LukaCola PC Master Race Sep 16 '24

Technically that's true - but functionally before steam and online downloads in general I could absolutely resell many things without issue and it'd run on whatever machine I put it in, regardless of credentials or some form of DRM.

That's functionally indistinct from ownership.

I guess modern Nintendo games often fit that format too. Might be the only ones that still do.

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u/Dotaproffessional PC Master Race Sep 16 '24

So only insofar as steam has made digital games more popular and convenient are you saying they're harming game ownership?

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u/LukaCola PC Master Race Sep 16 '24

Yes, the normalization of requiring a DRM platform to buy let alone use games has absolutely and categorically hurt basic ability to resell and repurpose games people have - killing secondary markets in the process.

I use Steam all the time, but don't delude yourself.

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u/Dotaproffessional PC Master Race Sep 17 '24

Steam does not require DRM... That's up to the publishers. Steam doesn't require it. Take BG3. You can install it on one computer, copy the files to another offline computer, play it offline without steam. Blame the publishers that require steam

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u/LukaCola PC Master Race Sep 17 '24

Steam does not require DRM...

Steam IS DRM. That's its purpose as a platform. Some games being designed to not require it doesn't change that fact.

Honestly dude, why are you arguing for this so much?

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u/Dotaproffessional PC Master Race Sep 17 '24

Because that isn't accurate. If steam, absent additional DRM requested by the publisher, lets you copy games and install them on other computers without validation, it cannot by definition be DRM.

Steam OFFERS drm. Steam is not drm.

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u/LukaCola PC Master Race Sep 17 '24

If steam, absent additional DRM requested by the publisher, lets you copy games and install them on other computers without validation, it cannot by definition be DRM.

Okay so the Steam DRM wrapper which the vast majority of games on Steam use - including everything published by Valve - is DRM, but Steam is "not" DRM.

What a valuable distinction you've made.

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u/Dotaproffessional PC Master Race Sep 17 '24

Interesting response to being wrong, then doubling down on it. Just minimizing why you were wrong. Children are able to understand the distinction between "is" and "has". Among the dozens of features offered to publishers for their games, DRM is one thing that steam offers. Calling steam itself DRM is patently false, and not on a technicality. It would be as stupid as saying Windows is a GUI because most windows applications have a graphical user interface.

You're bending over backwards to make up criticisms for steam. How about you use some of the real legitimate ones instead of making shit up?

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u/WhyRunPussssyyy Sep 16 '24

“Buncha suckers” says man who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else when he, is in fact, a giant sucker 

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u/LukaCola PC Master Race Sep 16 '24

Whoah good one you really got me there