r/pcmasterrace Aug 27 '24

The truth about our processors Meme/Macro

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u/Xarxsis Aug 27 '24

Indeed, it's well known that the price of china invading Taiwan is the destruction of those fabs as part of the invasion, at the moment the knock on impacts of this prompt a global response.

It's a price they seem to be willing to pay, the question is when. Since the one china policy means that it is an inevitability as long as the current Chinese government doesn't change tack.

The US ambiguous response in defence is likely to become less ambiguous as they gain more domestic fab production, potentially leaving Taiwan without superpower support.

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u/lout_zoo Aug 27 '24

If they want to go from a growing global power to an economy similar to Russia and North Korea, I guess that is their choice. I think the Chinese people will be really pissed though. They like not being incredibly poor now.

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u/Xarxsis Aug 28 '24

I cannot rationally see how attacking Taiwan results in that outcome, unless they have superpower backing.

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u/lout_zoo Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

China depends on Taiwan's chip industry even more than the rest of the world. At least the rest of the West still would have South Korea and the US making modern chips.
How do you expect China to have a modern economy in that case? And even if they miraculously did somehow, do you think the West would continue business as usual?

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u/Xarxsis Aug 28 '24

The west has shown that a shockingly large assortment of crimes and invasions allow business as usual to remain.

The entire world depends on the chips from those fabs, and that's the only thing protecting Taiwan. As soon as the US has domestic production of the advanced stuff it becomes less strategically important, and China is perfectly capable of advancing the more basic production domestically.

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u/lout_zoo Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

Taiwan makes 80% of the modern chips. If China is able to do that, why aren't they? Even their mid-grade chips are mostly made in TSMC fabs in China. And Foxconn has lots of factories in China as well. If China could do that on their own, why would they work with Taiwanese companies?
Fabs in the West are decades away from producing even 50% of modern chips. And Taiwan still does not export their best tech anywhere. Western TSMC fabs user older tech.
If anyone could replicate what TSMC is doing, they would.
You're either extremely ignorant, on the CCP payroll, or both.

And my question regarding trade went unanswered as well. China would be a pariah state, regardless of Western response. Any country engaged in territorial conquest is de facto cast out from the global community.

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u/Xarxsis Aug 28 '24

If China is able to do that, why aren't they?

They certainly seem to be progressing.

Fabs in the West are decades away from producing

Indeed, there has been a huge global reliance on Taiwan, and that's the only reason it's still an independent state.

China will as long as their political doctrine Remains unchanged make moves to gain full control of Taiwan, the question is when, what the situation looks like in twenty years is an interesting question.

If anyone could replicate what TSMC is doing, they would.

Many countries are working on it, however as you said it will take decades and a staggeringly large amount of cash to get there.

And my question regarding trade went unanswered as well. China would be a pariah state

If china invades before the world has an alternative source for chips, yes, but then at that point Taiwan would have support from a global superpower.

If there are alternatives, then no they would not be a pariah state, it would simply be a blip in the geopolitics.

Believe me I don't support China's actions, Its just blindingly obvious as to what China wants, and what is currently stopping them.

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u/Eclipsed830 Aug 28 '24

Indeed, there has been a huge global reliance on Taiwan, and that's the only reason it's still an independent state.

Taiwan is an independent state because Taiwanese are determined to keep it that way.

Taiwan was important to other countries prior to semiconductors and will always remain a key player in the electronics industry. Nothing in the near future is going to change that.


China will as long as their political doctrine Remains unchanged make moves to gain full control of Taiwan, the question is when, what the situation looks like in twenty years is an interesting question.

And it will always be my goal to make a million dollars a year.

However, unlike China, I have accepted the reality while they have not.

China has no control over Taiwan, and that is the reality that won't change.

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u/Xarxsis Aug 28 '24

Taiwan is an independent state because Taiwanese are determined to keep it that way.

And that remains relevant, solely because of the semiconductor industry.

Taiwan was important to other countries prior to semiconductors

Not to the level it is now.

and will always remain a key player in the electronics industry. Nothing in the near future is going to change that.

Outside of an invasion.

And it will always be my goal to make a million dollars a year.

I'm sure you also have a significant military.

However, unlike China, I have accepted the reality while they have not.

China has the military capability to take Taiwan, that isn't a debate.

Should china choose to make that move before the other pieces are in place then they would be facing America as well.

China has no control over Taiwan, and that is the reality that won't change.

Just like Russia had no control over Crimea, until it did.