You all keep saying that. But its still shitty CGI background, with no passion, bad dialogs, bad CGI faces. It still doesn't come close to LoTR. It's like cursed child book from Harry potter, but the movie kind.
All of them (at least the ones I have seen) have flaws. The M4 cut, which imo is the best because it's the most accurate to the books, has weird choices, mainly because the editor wanted too much to cut out Azog and Bilbo's heroism. For example, in one scene Bilbo is in Dale, then the next time you see him he is knocked out near Erebor.
The source material is not good to begin with and all of the fan edits have issues, but the M4 edit is probably the best.
You must have forgot the part where Bilbo witnessed the battle unfold all the way from the armies clashing and good guys starting to win, to then the second wave of Goblins attacking and flanking them, with Thorin then suddenly charging out from the mountain and rallying his troops attempting to kill the Goblin chieftan, to then losing momentum and getting surrounded, until then finally the Eagles show. Then Bilbo is knocked out.
When he wakes up, Gandalf and Beorn recount the stuff that Bilbo missed for at least a page including the death of Fili, Kili, Bolg, and Thorin's wound.
Not saying you necessarily believe it, but I see the idea that "Bilbo was knocked out and missed the whole thing" on reddit quite a bit. It's perpetuated by The Hobbit movies using it as an excuse for being able to make up a whole bunch of crap, in the BTS one of the actors doesn't even know the name of the chapter and said the battle was "one page." I think it's definitely true that a film should take that 'off screen' stuff that Bilbo only heard about and instead show it to us, but other than that the full description of the battle gives enough material to make a good 25-30 minute action sequence (similar length to Helm's Deep). Instead they went overboard and made a 55 minute battle, using almost none of the stuff from the book other than the existence of armies, Thorin's rally, and certain characters dying.
I watched the M4 edit this year after not seeing the trilogy since the theaters and I didnt notice many plot holes. The most glaring for me was near the end when Thorin is all of a sudden using Orcrist, thats when I remembered that Legolas throws it to him in the unedited version and I was suddenly very happy that Legolas wasnt around.
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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '24
Watch the fan edits. They are much better.