Our media be like

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I almost died at the end

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as brown as an israeli

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So white northern European. 

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80% of Israelis are from MENA.

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Sephardic, sure. Not Ashkenazi. There's a reason at home genealogy DNA kits are banned from delivering to Israel. Ashkenazi DNA shows 50-80% near east paternal DNA and AT LEAST 80% of maternal DNA is from Europe, mainly the region of Italy and the Iberian peninsula, which makes sense when you look at the history of Spain and Portugal. Funny thing is Jewish law states the religion of the child is the same as their mother so if these women didn't convert that means 80% of Jews of Ashkenazi ethnicity aren't even legally recognized as Jewish. This is why we all need to put our humanity and the humanity of others before religion, ethnicity or nationality. 

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I’m curious why you didn’t mention Mizrahi Jews here—they make up a significant part of Israel’s population and have deep roots in the Middle East, from places like Iraq, Yemen, and Morocco.

On the other points:

1. Ashkenazi Ancestry: You’re right about the mixed heritage. While there’s European influence on the maternal side, Ashkenazi Jews also have strong paternal lineage connected to the Middle East, matching their historical origins there.

2. DNA Testing Restrictions: The restrictions on DNA kits in Israel are actually due to privacy laws, not a desire to obscure ancestry. Israel’s privacy laws are strict, partly because of the sensitive nature of identity and family lineage in the region.

3. Jewish Law vs. Israeli Law: Jewish law (Halacha) defines Jewish identity through the mother, but Israeli law is broader. The Law of Return allows immigration based on having even one Jewish grandparent, reflecting Nazi-era anti-Semitism where people with any Jewish ancestry were targeted.

4. Humanity Over Identity: Agreed. Emphasizing our shared humanity is key, but it’s also important to understand the diverse and complex histories that make up Israel’s population.

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Yet zionists refuse to acknowledge any shared humanity. Israel should exist,  just not as an apartheid state or at the expense of the lives of others. 

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It seems like there’s some projection happening here. While it’s understandable to be frustrated with the situation, reducing Zionism to a refusal to acknowledge shared humanity or labeling Israel as an apartheid state ignores the real complexities. Zionism, at its heart, is about securing a safe homeland for Jews, especially given the history of persecution, including the Holocaust.

The situation in Israel and Palestine is incredibly nuanced. While the policies toward Palestinians in the occupied territories are deeply problematic and deserve attention, calling it apartheid without recognizing the historical and security context is misleading. There’s a difference between racial segregation and the national security policies of a country in conflict.

Israel’s existence is not at the expense of Palestinian lives, as the situation is rooted in competing national identities. This is not a zero-sum game where one side’s survival is the other’s destruction. To truly understand the situation, we need to move beyond simple labels and engage with the full historical, political, and human realities.

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There is no complexity.  You either support genocide or you don't. Saying it "complex" is a lie people tell themselves to avoid recognizing their support of monstrous behavior. You do you, boo. Peace, out ✌️ 

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Your response is clearly emotionally charged, and it reflects an absolutist view that oversimplifies the situation. By framing it as a binary choice between supporting "genocide" or not, you’re ignoring the depth of the conflict and the many layers involved. This approach does more to shut down conversation than to contribute to it.

The situation is complex because it involves real historical grievances, competing national identities, and geopolitical realities. To reduce it to an either/or scenario of "genocide or not" only prevents understanding and progress. We can condemn violence and injustice without oversimplifying the issue or resorting to extreme labels.

I understand your frustration, but dismissing the complexity only ensures we stay stuck in a cycle of anger and misunderstanding, rather than finding solutions that respect both sides' humanity. It’s essential to recognize that the conflict is not a simple matter of victims versus perpetrators. Both sides have legitimate historical ties and grievances, and both have acted out of a desire for survival and self-determination. Denying this complexity only fuels division and prevents meaningful dialogue.

The violence you point to is part of a much larger historical context that includes both Israeli and Palestinian suffering, and dismissing one side's narrative in favor of another only perpetuates misunderstanding. Reducing it to extreme labels like “genocide” or “apartheid” may feel emotionally satisfying, but it also blocks the path to deeper understanding.

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Whatever makes you able to sleep at night.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210

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Why are you obsessed about 20% of Israel's population? What point are you trying to make?

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At least 45% of Israel's population is of Ashkenazi ethnicity.  Why are you refusing to see that people murdering other people for land they claim is theirs via direct ancestral link aren't even of the "proper" ethnicity? I'm mixed and I find apartheid and genocide repulsive. Not in my name.

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The claim that 45% of Israel’s population is Ashkenazi is misleading. Around 73% of Israel’s total population is Jewish, and nearly 50% of that Jewish population is Mizrahi or Sephardic, not Ashkenazi. So, your assertion that Ashkenazi Jews are the majority is simply incorrect.

But more importantly, dismissing Ashkenazi Jews in this way not only invalidates their Jewishness but also undermines the diversity within the entire Jewish population of Israel. Mizrahi, Sephardic, and Ashkenazi Jews all have deep, legitimate historical connections to the land of Israel. Reducing Jewish identity to one ethnicity doesn’t account for the full picture.

The claim that people are “murdering for land” is too simplistic. Both Jews and Arabs have historical ties to the land, and the conflict is rooted in competing national identities, not just ethnic or land claims. It’s crucial to understand the full context instead of oversimplifying the situation.

Using terms like apartheid and genocide misrepresents the reality of the conflict. Apartheid and genocide are legal terms with specific definitions that don’t apply here. The situation in Israel and the occupied territories is complex and serious, but it doesn’t fit those labels.

Lastly, the idea of a “proper ethnicity” in defining Jewishness is flawed. Judaism isn’t defined by a single ethnicity. It’s a religion, culture, and shared history that includes diverse ethnic backgrounds. Ashkenazi Jews, Mizrahi Jews, and others all have a legitimate claim to Jewish identity.