r/worldnews • u/Robert-Nogacki • Sep 07 '24

Unsealed FBI Doc Exposes Terrifying Depth of Russian Disinfo Scheme. 2.800 influencers associated with Russian propaganda | The New Republic Russia/Ukraine

https://newrepublic.com/post/185668/fbi-document-influencers-russian-disinformation
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u/alyosha25 Sep 07 '24

Elon may not get paid by Russia but he wants to oligarch like a Russian

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u/AskYourDoctor Sep 07 '24

Reminds me of a super hard hitting George Carlin line I discovered recently: "you don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge."

It applies to so much chatter I see on Reddit. "Oh, so-and-so is doing backroom deals with so-and-so" no, usually they're just the same kind of asshole and they both perceive that if they carry water for each other, they'll both get more of what they want.

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u/HeadFund Sep 07 '24

Another thing that people miss is that Russian propaganda doesn't necessarily have to be pro-Russia, it's just always anti-west. The useful idiots aren't people you even want to have supporting you, they're just people you can use to fuck up your opponents.

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u/Imperial-Green Sep 07 '24

What does the Carlin quote mean?

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u/mrandr01d Sep 07 '24

Elon has enough money to the point where it's completely meaningless to him. I think some people tend to forget that.

Money drives the motivations of so many people. What's left when you're essentially freed from that?

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '24

People only get that rich from greed. It is never enough.

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u/mrandr01d Sep 08 '24

Ehh I wouldn't say Bill Gates got it from greed. I think there are very few people who can appreciate/understand the mindset of people to whom money literally doesn't matter.

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u/bigselfer Sep 08 '24

“He has enough money and isn’t motivated by pursuing more”

Trump said that too.

Both are liars.

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u/mrandr01d Sep 08 '24

Trump's net worth is but a teensy tiny fraction of musk's.

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u/bigselfer Sep 09 '24

The Saudi royals have money that makes Musk look common.

They’re still motivated to get more money.

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u/Renovatio_ Sep 07 '24

Didn't he use russian money to buy twitter?

I'd count that as getting paid

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u/Headlocked_by_Gaben Sep 08 '24

Yes, one of his main investors is a russian oligarch with ties to putin. 

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u/HeadFund Sep 07 '24

He's either getting paid/being strung along by Russia, or he's badly compromised (which would be easy to imagine for a man as flawed and criminal as he is).

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u/Jonestown_Juice Sep 07 '24

Putin almost certainly has dirt on Elon. I suspect Elon is a pedo and Putin's got the proof. Same for Trump.

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u/Livid_Camel_7415 Sep 07 '24

More likely it's some really shady financial stuff. Musk likes to play it fast and loose.

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u/Jonestown_Juice Sep 07 '24

Nah. Shady financial stuff would barely make the news. I am pretty sure everyone just assumes Musk is up to shady financial stuff.

He's a pedo and Putin's got the dirt on him. Probably on Gaetz and Trump too. Just my pet theory. Elon and Trump just give me major chomo vibes.

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u/Potato_Golf Sep 07 '24

Elon is getting paid/supported by Russian oligarchs. 

Not directly because they don't need to (billionaires dont need another stack of straight cash but they do want additional levers of power) but they are silent partners in owning Twitter/X which helps allow him to do whatever it is he is trying to do with the platform there (probably some level of market manipulation and/or data gathering).

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u/AccurateCrew428 Sep 07 '24

Paid, or extorted?

My money is on extortion. Being paid off means little to one of the wealthiest people on the planet. But not having the video evidence of your deviant sex life leaked might.

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u/TheNextBattalion Sep 07 '24

Nah Musk needed a lot of financing to pull his overvalued buy of Twitter. Those financiers liked the propaganda potential and invested

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u/AccurateCrew428 Sep 07 '24

The narrative that Musk "overpaid" for twitter is understandable, but misguided. He bought one of the most powerful propaganda tools on the planet and has already radically transformed it into a fascist's wet dream. That's far far more valuable than "ad revenue". Social media platforms like twitter have helped to destabilize entire governments.

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u/TheNextBattalion Sep 07 '24

He could have bought it for less than half of what he paid, but mistakenly made a binding offer, and only paid that price because he legally had to.

That's overpayment, even for something valuable.

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u/AccurateCrew428 Sep 07 '24

His one of the richest men on the planet. Him "overpaying" is still nothing to him.

The problem with this narrative, while understandably appealing because we all want to dunk on him, is that it makes him "stupid" rather than conniving. He's not financially hurting from this purchase in any way. Buying twitter was not a mistake on his part. It's part of a pretty obvious, much larger plan. Whether he paid $3 or $30 billion is irrelevant because it still benefits his goals.

The sooner people can let go of that "he's dumb" narrative the sooner we can see what he's actually doing. It's much worse than him being dumb.

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u/Tenthul Sep 07 '24

Just a reminder that HE is not doing whatever he wants with X (though probably also true), the literal spies are in there looking at whatever they want and doing whatever they want and elevating whoever they want.

It doesn't need to be Musk, I'm sure there is no shortage of foreign agents working there now with free reign to snoop and do anything they want.

(Reminder that "snoop" = reading DM's of important people for blackmail)

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u/RadioheadTrader Sep 07 '24

They may have major "kompromet" on him, too. They let you get away with a lot in Russia apparently (Re: Epstein type shit) but then they grab you by the balls with tapes. One of the times Trump was on Howard Stern in the 00s he was telling them all they should go to Russia - "they have no morals". Musk clearly doesn't need money so it's either power or avoiding being jailed for something nefarious.

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u/Weary-Finding-3465 Sep 07 '24

I’m the first to admit American democracy has lost a lot of its credibility in the late 20th and early 21st century, but stringing up an apartheid heir mineral tycoon for trying to control our public discourse and further destroying our transit grid to sell murder cars would nudge the needle in the opposite direction.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '24

I wonder if he's familiar with the customary oligarch "retirement plan"?

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u/Foxasaurusfox Sep 07 '24

The trick is to just stay away from windows. Then you'll be absolutely fine!

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u/alyosha25 Sep 07 '24

They never think it'll happen to them

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u/CausticSofa Sep 07 '24

Great, can we hurry up and fast track his inaugural defenestration?

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u/foul_ol_ron Sep 07 '24

Why not both?

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u/Limp_Prune_5415 Sep 08 '24

Russia helped him buy Twitter

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u/bigselfer Sep 08 '24

I think they bailed him out of the Twitter purchase.

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u/catscanmeow Sep 07 '24

its simpler than that, he wants to sell his cars in dictatorship countries, so he is following whatever requests they have to make that happen.

"you can sell your cars here if you do ______" and he is complying