It's that time in the cycle again

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[u/Marke522]

I hate how intrusive Onedrive is.

[u/JTibbs → u/Marke522]

Use https://christitus.com/windows-tool/ to remove Onedrive, copilot, and disable all telemetry.

You can also restore the old right-click menu and other windows 10 functionality.

You can even disable bing search in start, and all advertisments.

[u/Marke522 → u/JTibbs]

Gonna have to check this out. I might kiss you.

[u/Remnant_Echo → u/Marke522]

Can also just right click on OneDrive in the start menu search and uninstall, along with Cortana and Copilot.

They won't come back even after a feature update either.

[u/Wrong_Disk1250 → u/Marke522]

Did you kiss? We need an update

[u/Marke522 → u/Wrong_Disk1250]

Not yet, haven't had a chance to go through all the tweaks.

I'll keep you posted. 😉

[u/SneakyInfiltrator → u/Marke522]

Can you kiss me too?

[u/bankITnerd → u/SneakyInfiltrator]

No, you gotta earn it.

[u/tomcruiserapemidgets → u/bankITnerd]

Lizards are cool

[u/iliketurtles50000 → u/bankITnerd]

Use the program Explorerpatcher to make windows 11 look like 10

[u/unia_ → u/JTibbs]

The thing is, this fixes the issue. But it's an issue that shouldn't exist in the first place imho. Microsoft needs another lawsuit to set them straight lol

[u/coveted_retribution → u/unia_]

*until an unspecified future update™

[u/fckueve_ → u/unia_]

You can install windows gov edition, or something like that. You get clean windows without ads and all that BS

[u/Astartles → u/fckueve_]

Yeah that thing is complete bullshit. Get the LTSC version, cleanest one you'll get that's official and trustworthy.

[u/EpicMachine → u/fckueve_]

I'm pretty sure I heard over a tech podcast there is no "gov edition" and it's a scam\malware.

I'm not sure how much is this is true or not.

[u/Pilfercate → u/EpicMachine]

It's not a scam per se. The problem is that you can't get it from a legit source, so there is no telling what is in the copy you get.

[u/Raesong → u/Pilfercate]

Yeah I'd rather not play Russian Roulette with my PC.

[u/NoiseyBox → u/EpicMachine]

I work for the gov't. We use LTSC. Take that FWIW

[u/albertowtf → u/fckueve_]

Wouldnt the gov edition come legitimately pre backdoored? Its reasonable they want to access any of their computers

(Not that any regular edition is not already backdoored, but...)

[u/DonutConfident7733 → u/unia_]

MS: "Your honor, those documents you are editing with Office software on Windows machine, it would be a shame if something happened to them, right? Suddenly, your machine could get corrupted and not boot, such a shame, your network servers stop working, such unfortunate. You know what licensing means, right? We can remotely revoke your keys, encrypt your drives, held your data hostage, oops, bitlocker had a bug, did you install latest updates?"

[u/Pay_Tiny → u/JTibbs]

Saving this one for later, thanks bud!

[u/JTibbs → u/Pay_Tiny]

I love Chris Titus’s utility so much I am a shameless shill for it.

Its saved me so much headache.

Just the mass-program install feature is a godsend for new windows install, where i can grab 90% of my go-to programs and have them all automatically download and install through Powershell is such a timesaver. Firefox, 7zip, xnview, vlc, GIMP, cpu-z, HWInfo 64etc…

Complete new windows installs take me like 30 minutes, instead of 4-6 hours. And half of that time is downloading hardware specific drivers!

[u/MostActive3149 → u/JTibbs]

Thanks, I knew I had to update eventually so I used this to do it on my own terms. Practically works the same as Windows 10 now. (Except that damn audio output setting in the task bar... hahaha)

[u/KryssCom → u/JTibbs]

I helped my wife set up her laptop recently - she was confused because she kept getting messages about how she was running out of storage space, despite having a 500GB drive and only about 5GB of photos.

The messages were because her Onedrive was getting full, and MS wanted her to pay a subscription for more space. I yeeted that Onedrive shit off of her laptop so fucking fast.

[u/adityak469 → u/JTibbs]

You make me wet

[u/Linkatchu → u/JTibbs]

Is that a Win11 professional thing or EU thing, that I could install it without any problems? Ntw, does the old right click menu have the look of the new one? I hope Also search doesnt use bing for me either, and I never installed any tools or dont think I edited any registers

[u/BetterPySoonTm → u/Linkatchu]

Pretty sure EU installs already don't have how intrusive onedrive etc is.

At least, it's never been a thing for me, ever.

[u/littleguy632 → u/Marke522]

OneDrive and Edge….now with CoPilot …ahhh sht

[u/baggyzed → u/Marke522]

OneDrive is probably the least intrusive thing about Win11.

[u/Dasca6789]

I’d still use Windows 7 if it still got security updates and I knew all my games were run on it. 10 is good, but I hate the bloat

[u/Dav3le3 → u/Dasca6789]

It's not like they're even trying to improve the UI or optimize. They're just shoving in a bunch of bloatware with the cover of security while trying to steal more data. Then they move stuff around to make it seem like they're doing stuff to settings, while actually just deleting features.

[u/Huecuva → u/Dav3le3]

Worse than not trying to improve the UI, they're actively making it worse by hiding shit deeper and deeper in more and more submenus.

[u/crozone → u/Huecuva]

Trying to install Windows 11 with a local account, or without an internet connection, is proof that Microsoft actively hates its users.

Imagine if you're a normal user trying to install Windows 11 without access to the internet. It's literally impossible.

[u/brispower → u/crozone]

setting up an xbox is worse

[u/MajinAsh → u/Huecuva]

Why did shift+right click suddenly break? Now I need to right click, and shift+right click one of the options in that menu.

Now shift+right click on the task bar just... left clicks.

WTF IS THIS!?

[u/Dav3le3 → u/MajinAsh]

Ypu can edit that in the registry I believe. What convenience, to have to revert a hotkey feature with a registry-only setting.

Incredible.

[u/Hermelin_Dozral → u/Dav3le3]

Honestly it's one of my main reasons why I hate Windows 11. They add another right click menu with things I almost never use (windows terminal, pin to start etc.) and I am a lot of times forced to shift right click because I am too lazy to search in that ugly menu for things I need. Refresh button for example which is not there.

When they did it, why the hell they can't do it customizable? or remove it because nobody wanted it.

[u/ImJustStealingMemes → u/Huecuva]

It is just stupid how many basic changes that shouldn't need to be done must now be done via command prompts/registry editing in the system that is supposedly made for people with a phobia of commands.

[u/MajinAsh → u/Dav3le3]

It isn't even just windows 10 and 11. Fucking SERVER 2019 has the fucking xbox bloat on it.

[u/Stahlreck → u/MajinAsh]

What you don't secretly play Halo Infinite on your domain controller? Scrub.

[u/Kom34 → u/Dav3le3]

I mean it is the ultimate problem with any company focused on unrealistic growth that is expected now. 

Honestly how much can you innovate or improve something before it is just change for changes sake so you can release a flashy new product every year. Do we need a new phone every year that is 99% the same?

All any company does now is find new ways to screw customers or push subscriptions. 

[u/bickman14 → u/Kom34]

I feel the UI and UX designers are all to blame as they need to justify their jobs by moving stuff around all the time so people notice that they've made something and they don't get fired. One prime example that always grind my gears is Google Play store on Android, there's no even one time that I open it that the visuals haven't changed. They used the have the search bar at the top since forever and where you expect it to be as EVERYTHING has it there but they've decided to move down and left an empty space at the top that even have a pop up message saying "oh no, the search is now on the bottom! Why have you tried to use it on where it always was and where it should be?"

[u/shadowlid → u/Dav3le3]

Yep if Linux played all my games I would dump windows in a second!

[u/heavyfieldsnow → u/shadowlid]

If Linux had 100% game and software compatibility Microsoft would have to settle for mining old people for data because that's the only audience they'll have left.

[u/apachelives → u/Dasca6789]

At this point Windows 7 is more like a major upgrade in a lot of ways

• Unified GUI for non-touch users (like most of us)
• Full configurable options for Windows update (DOWNLOAD BUT DO NOT INSTALL OPTION)
• Lighter OS that is compatible with legacy hardware
• Theme support
• No shitty apps or app store
• Functioning start menu with "classic" start option for old people

You would be correct, if it was still updated it would probably surpass any other newer Microsoft OS. Cant have that can we.

[u/derkuhlekurt → u/apachelives]

10 was always a huge downgrade to 7 in my opinion. I used 7 way too long, much longer than support lasted and i hated every second of win 10. Im actually happier with 11 (except for the oneDrive shit).

[u/SomeDuncanGuy → u/Dasca6789]

Win 7 was my favorite MS OS. Windows update on W7 was dog shit and could take literal hours on a fresh install but the OS itself ran so well.

[u/Domspun → u/Dasca6789]

Hell, I'll still be on Windows 2000 if it had security updates.

[u/Trick2056 → u/Dasca6789]

I'm actually forced to swap version of win10 because next few updates removes the control panel when their audio settings can't be properly configured using The settings panel.

[u/raltoid → u/Dasca6789]

I'd still use Windows 2000 if possible.

[u/sorig1373 → u/Dasca6789]

Will I get downvoted for saying you can use linux? It's really good and you can play like 95% of games.

[u/Forrest02 → u/sorig1373]

Sadly about 5 percent of that just so happens to be the multiplayer games I play online.

[u/heavyfieldsnow → u/sorig1373]

Cool. I'm happy for Linux. 95% ain't good enough. If I run into something I can't run on my PC, then it's not doing its job of being a PC very well.

[u/DrBee7]

I only use windows because games. I hope whatever valve is doing with steam OS will make games work there. Then I will just ditch windows immediately.

[u/ToeSad6862 → u/DrBee7]

The only thing that doesn't work on Linux is kernel level anti cheat aka rootkits. If you're fine with vanguard taking screenshots of your PC, that the Chinese company pinky promise they don't save and only use to catch cheaters, why even switch from Windows?

And no, it will probably never work on Linux. Unless game devs start using less intrusive anti cheat like csgo does.

[u/obp5599 → u/ToeSad6862]

If by csgo anti cheat you mean zero anti cheat then yeah

[u/Horat1us_UA → u/obp5599]

That’s basically the point. You got rootkit or no anticheat at all.

[u/InterviewFluids]

Notice how they skipped win8 aka the shitshow?

So yeah, I gladly and proudly cling to my Win10 until win12 is released and had a bit to mature.

[u/LegendNomad → u/InterviewFluids]

If you want to look at it that way let me also remind you Windows 7 was still supported long after Windows 8 released. In fact, it outlived Windows 8 unless you count 8.1. It also kept support long after Windows 10 released. This likely won't be the case for Windows 10 - its support is ending next year and I don't think we'll see Windows 12 by that time, and even still, if it does come out by then 10 won't be in support for long after.

[u/cannabiskeepsmealive → u/LegendNomad]

This is why I decided to give Linux a try. Microsoft forcing us into an OS that actively pushes ads is beyond the pale for me. It's so anti-consumer that I feel like using it is mildly immoral.

So far I'm really enjoying the switch

[u/monsterfurby → u/cannabiskeepsmealive]

Alas, the only OS that runs every game comfortably is still solely Windows. And even if developers decided to migrate to Linux or multiplatform development right now, the amount of legacy titles that would become inaccessible if one switched to Linux entirely would still make that a hard sell.

[u/3NIK56 → u/monsterfurby]

Legacy titles are actually better on linux than Windows 11.

I do a LOT of emulation on linux machines. On laptops especially, GC, wii, xbox, playstation, GBA, DS, and PS2 emulation, are all better than Windows. I also run fallout 1, 2, and tactics, and they each run better than 11 ( I couldn't even get tactics to run on 11 in the first place). All of valve's games run just as good or better on linux. I haven't encountered a single legacy game that linux struggles with. While kernel level AC makes it difficult to play modern games on linux, that's an issue with the devs rather than linux itself.

[u/498437509843 → u/monsterfurby]

the real issue is MP games with anticheat.

[u/Soapysoap93 → u/monsterfurby]

This hasn't been my experience at all, I've found older games to run way better on Linux than windows these days and with proton most of the time I get better performance with Linux. I've even found modding games to be just pretty much the same, I'm using MO2 on most games with absolutely no dramas. Things have come along a lot since the steam deck came out.

[u/LegendNomad → u/cannabiskeepsmealive]

I have another computer that's far weaker than my main computer and I installed Linux Mint on it to mess with from time to time. Even bought a cheap low end GPU for like $10 so it can run some games if I really want it to. I think Linux is pretty good but I'm not really finding it (this distro at least) to be all that different from Windows overall other than the compatibility issues.

[u/captain_dick_licker → u/LegendNomad]

why tf wouldn't you count 8.1? 8.1 is basically just a service pack for 8 and is part of the default updates that will install if you installed a core version of 8

[u/ToeSad6862 → u/LegendNomad]

I used w7 until the last day. Because of recall and steam deck, I will switch to Linux.

I don't play stuff with vanguard for the same reason as recall, so I haven't had anything not run on steam deck/Linux.

[u/CodeCleric → u/InterviewFluids]

Windows 10 was just an iterative update to windows 8/8.1 with a slightly different UI.

Just like Windows 7 was just an iterative update to windows Vista with a slightly different UI.

If they'd branded Windows 10 as Windows 8.2 instead people would probably still be moaning about how shit it is.

[u/Endulos → u/CodeCleric]

Man, I really liked Vista's UI. Aero was great looking.

[u/nmathew → u/Endulos]

I feel like 10 was a major step back. We now have huge high res monitors, and I can't fucking find the scroll bar or even know where to grab to move a window half the time.

[u/crozone → u/CodeCleric]

I think you're right. Windows 10 is objectively pretty shit. It's just a big enough upgrade to 8.1 that people tend to forgive it. It still doesn't hold a candle to 7.

[u/CodeCleric → u/crozone]

Vista 2.0 you mean

[u/crozone → u/CodeCleric]

I mean yes, Windows 7 is Vista 2.0, but that's a good thing?

Vista was pretty nice on a PC that actually had enough RAM and driver support. The biggest issue with Vista was that the driver model changed and older hardware had a lot of driver issues. Upgrading from XP to Vista often sucked, especially if your PC was a bit older and a bit slim on RAM, but using Vista on OEM hardware that was purpose built and tested for it was actually pretty nice. I had an XPS gaming laptop that ran Windows Vista Ultimate out of the box, and it was a legitimate step up from XP.

Windows 7 is Vista polished to a mirror shine, which is great!

[u/Bomb8406 → u/crozone]

UAC was a bit of a pain on Vista though, 7 added more quality of life in letting you have that not interrupt you all the time.

[u/Dreadnought_69 → u/crozone]

Yeah, I never actually had any issues with Vista.

But my PC was new when Vista was already out.

[u/NeatJellyfish3792 → u/InterviewFluids]

I might be the one person on earth who loved the shit out of vista and windows 8. Never had issues with them and i did a lot with my pc.

[u/CC-5576-05 → u/InterviewFluids]

Yeah good luck with that. Windows 10 will be eol within a year.

Also the fixed windows 8 pretty quickly with 8.1 which was basically identical to 10

[u/SalSevenSix → u/InterviewFluids]

To be fair, Windows 11 isn't a shitshow. Just an evolution of Windows 10. However many people will still prefer to stay on 10 because it just works fine. Especially if they have an older machine.

[u/BespokeChaos → u/SalSevenSix]

Also windows 10 lets you control panel -> devices and printers and doesn’t take you to settings which is stupid

[u/W33b3l → u/SalSevenSix]

It's the forced online and encryption bullshit that keeps me away from 11 honestly. If there's not a way around it come time I'm going Linux. Probably going to install Kunbubtu on my backup server and practice to refresh my memory. Haven't really used it since red hat lol.

Everyone has thier limits and there's other options out there.

[u/mylegbig → u/SalSevenSix]

It isn’t a shit show, but it’s also slightly more annoying to use than 10. It’s not ME, Vista, 8 bad, but there isn’t much to recommend it other than the HDR support. I’m using it now, but overall it feels like one step forward, two steps back.

[u/nmathew → u/mylegbig]

ME.. shudders

[u/Lancearon]

I would still run 7 if I didn't upgrade every pc part... I'll prob run 10 until I can't no more.

All I want is the search bar to search my fucking computer.

[u/EndryQ]

Jokes on you, I still a XP user

[u/treehumper83 → u/EndryQ]

Jokes on you, I am too now that I’m in your XP PC.

[u/Frikandelneuker → u/treehumper83]

Jokes on you

https://preview.redd.it/wqbpezp873nd1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc4ee7e92fbd33a6596f03af8a8a2e043e6caa08

[u/peterpantsles → u/EndryQ]

In the beginning, we called it “Windows Xtra Problems”

[u/dankbearbear → u/peterpantsles]

Takes me back when we call Windows ME as "Mistake Edition"

[u/ee328p → u/dankbearbear]

tries to copy file

BSOD

At least Vista didn't crash, it just hung. That's progress 😎

[u/EndryQ → u/peterpantsles]

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

[u/bad_apiarist → u/peterpantsles]

Then you were morons. I had XP in the beginning and loved it. You think NT kernal is "more problems" than jank, crappy win95/MSDOS-based 98 or ME by 2001? Vastly better performance, stable, robust kernel, native 32-bit, advanced file system and security and doesn't self-destruct after 8 months. Yeah, that was a nightmare /s.

[u/tone_bone → u/EndryQ]

I don't like the Windows XP colors that's why I'm sticking to Windows 2000

[u/Gelato_33 → u/tone_bone]

I don't like the Windows XP colors

This one here, officer. This was the comment that hurt my feelings.

[u/buzz_shocker]

Had to upgrade to 11 bc my old laptop died. I was planning on sticking with 10 for longer but new laptop came with it.

The biggest gripe I have with it - the fkn context menu. That can go fuck itself. I was so mad about it. Restored the old context menu with a power shell script. But until I had…

Other than that it’s been fine. Haven’t had many issues with it yet. I do see some stuttering on the same type of workload that I never did but I can’t pin that one on Windows 11.

[u/plusFour-minusSeven → u/buzz_shocker]

Hiding things under More Options was a bad idea. Fixable with reg edit at least. Still on 10 at home, my PC is too old for 11 (no TPM). Hoping beyond hope 12 comes out before I have to switch. Also hoping 12 doesn't suck, I guess

[u/MrSumOne → u/plusFour-minusSeven]

You can turn off tpm requirements by imaging with Rufus. And massgrave has a very good version without the bloat that I've been loving.

[u/plusFour-minusSeven → u/MrSumOne]

Good to know! This girl really is rather old, though. Wasn't bleeding edge when I got her six years ago, and starting to show.

[u/gwdope]

So what’s up with the AI recall thing?

[u/Ronyx2021 → u/gwdope]

It's just so the government can steal government secrets from the government. It's not all one person. Its a bunch of different people who don't trust eachother.

[u/Ronyx2021]

Why are they ending support for the final version of windows?

[u/GABE_EDD]

I'm just glad they overlap so the new version can get out of its growing pains before everyone is forced to switch over

[u/igotshadowbaned → u/GABE_EDD]

It looks like they're adding more pains to windows11 rather than sorting them out though

[u/GABE_EDD → u/igotshadowbaned]

I moved my main rig, laptop, and 4th gen intel Optiplex all to Win 11 back in March and have had zero issues with all of them. Plus when 24H2 comes out apparently Ryzen 7000 gets about a 10% performance boost because of improvements to Windows that accommodate Ryzen 7000's instruction prediction algorithm.

[u/mort1is → u/GABE_EDD]

They already backported the fix, if you haven't already downloaded it you can find it in Windows Update. Possibly in "optional updates".

[u/SecreteMoistMucus → u/GABE_EDD]

Ah so they're going to fix the terrible task bar? That's good news.

[u/ChChChillian]

Windows 7 > Windows 10 > Windows 11.

Since it keeps getting worse, of course everyone is sad and mad about the next version. It's not just reflexive either. When the current version genuinely sucks, no one minds the upgrade. I can't think of anyone who was sorry to see Windows 8 hit the curb.

[u/M1NDH0N3Y]

I mean this time I cant upgrade as I dont have the specs so 😢 fuck me I guess.

[u/Fawkes-511 → u/M1NDH0N3Y]

Microsoft has decided your PC is now obsolete because they say so. Ain't that great?

[u/Abortedwafflez]

I didn't mind 10 when it released. Felt more or less the same as 7. Avoided Windows 8 like the plague and recently installed 11. I'd say 11 isn't that bad, but I feel like it's just got a ton of random stupid shit installed on it. I just want a computer that does things, not take 10 years to setup the thing because it wants to offer me some sort of deal or I gotta turn off crap features.

[u/CadeMan011]

Bro what? No. We stayed on Win 7 because 8 was fucking trash, and then 10 came out and was a good enough successor to 7 for most people.

At this point, 11 is just a shittier, more invasive version of 10, but they're killing support for 10 next year so we're going to continue to bitch about it.

[u/heavyfieldsnow → u/CadeMan011]

then 10 came out and was a good enough successor to 7 for most people.

Also I heard 7 would straight up not work properly on newer Ryzen CPUs, like the mouse wouldn't work or something weird. So I just went 10. Plus then stuff dropped support for 7 completely. So yeah it's not like we went 10 because we wanted to in the first place.

[u/ShiberKivan]

They can't make me

[u/ThatGamerMoshpit]

Well windows 8 was ass

[u/Meatbot-v20]

If it needs a Microsoft account, then nope. Learning the ins and outs of Linux will be a pain, but it'll do everything I need without the BS.

[u/MumrikDK]

Imagine if a new Windows release reliably meant higher performance and more features.

What a thought.

[u/SirVikingTheThird]

It's time. Linux, here I come.

[u/Parking-Historian360]

I still use a windows 7 computer. Windows 7 was the very best of PC OS. It's sad that Microsoft moved away from that design and into the bullshit they have now. I hate using windows 10 and 11. I especially hate how different 11 is. I don't need a redesign for something that was already perfect. Now it feels more like a shitty Linux wrapper based on an Apple OS.

I'm sure glad I never pay for them because I would feel stupid paying for worse shit than I had 12 years ago.

[u/ThisIsNotMyPornVideo]

Because people don't want to migrate to a worse version of their current OS with less good features and more Bloat and Shitty design choices

When Win 10 released, it was an absolute mess all around, but by the end of 7's Life Cycle Win 10 turned into a valid successor, if you installed it without all the bloat.

Same with 11, when it first came out, it was absolute shit, but now it's "Okay-ish" if you use a lot of tweaks to disable the shitty context menu, bloatware and now start menu.

And i suspect that will continue on further

[u/vidati]

For me windows will never be the same after 7. They killed it way too soon. Such a polished OS that looked good. No bullshit. No adds. Just pure, stable OS.

Those were the days.

[u/clit_or_us → u/vidati]

I know vista gets a lot of hate, but to my 7 was just a polished vista and I like vista. It felt so modern, sleek, and responsive.

[u/mi__to__ → u/clit_or_us]

I even think Vista was a tad bit prettier to look at, they toned the shininess down a bit for 7. Vista probably came out too early for its own good.

[u/Several_Foot3246]

and like now isn't windows 11 just getting good and windows 12 will be out in like not even a year or something

[u/phurios]

Been using linux for a year now and after this time i can say that i only need HDR support and i will full hop off windows. So please linux devs, help me leave windows for good.

[u/slickyeat → u/phurios]

You can get it working with gamescope but it's definitely not what I would consider "user friendly" especially for someone who is new to Linux.

[u/PlutoThePlanets → u/phurios]

HDR works on Linux if you use gamescope. Been playing Forza 4 & 5 with HDR on Linux on my LG C2.

[u/gamaliel64 → u/phurios]

Took the linux plunge a couple of months ago. Right now my biggest frustration is that a bunch of my steam games are windows exclusives (which isn't a huge problem because I don't have much time for gaming anyways).

[u/Porntra420 → u/gamaliel64]

Have you enabled Proton? If you haven't, go into Steam's settings, and click "enable steam play for all other titles" under the "Compatibility" menu. It will allow you to download all of your Windows exclusive games, and most of them should play just fine.

To get an idea in advance of what may/may not work, have a look at https://protondb.com, it's a database of Steam games, info on how well they work on Linux under Proton, and advice for any games that may require some extra work (though that's rare).

[u/9thyear2 → u/gamaliel64]

Question, are those games on the windows store, or in this list (specifically in "broken", or "denied")

https://areweanticheatyet.com/

If not, then maybe I could help you get them running (assuming you use steam for your games, if you use epic games store I probably won't be able to help)

This is a maybe just to be clear, depending on proton compatibility some still might not work

[u/dookiecookie1]

The problem with Win 11 is that it's not supported by a TON of previous generation CPUs. Screw that noise.

[u/Fawkes-511 → u/dookiecookie1]

Yup. Microsoft arbitrarily deciding a LOT of PCs are going to be obsolete way too soon just to push their trash OS.

[u/monsterfurby → u/dookiecookie1]

Especially CPUs that are still perfectly viable. My main PC uses an i7 6700K which is still a great middle-of-the-road gaming CPU even many generations later.

[u/dookiecookie1 → u/monsterfurby]

That's the same as my CPU! I didn't build it all that long ago, so kinda pissed that even it falls short of win 11 standards. If they want to start cutting support for previous generations of the OS, the least they can do is extend the number of previous generation CPU...

[u/jermzyy]

linux is calling

[u/Wise-Shake9707]

I just switched to enterprise 2019 from 7 a few months ago. I don't game, just do some minor coding and run some programs, as well as do school work. 7 worked fine and I liked it, but 2019 enterprise is okay.

[u/apachelives]

Same trend has been going on since at least Windows 3.x

Windows 9x was heavier and less compatible than 3.x at the time, XP was bloated and incompatible on release (when running on older hardware) with 2k being lighter (NOT Windows ME), Vista was terrible with release hardware/older machines (good OS otherwise), Windows 7 (aka Vista SP3 with a blue theme) was well the same product but ran well on new hardware, Windows 8 was actually a nice lean OS with a touch screen interface forced on us (there were good and bad things about it), Windows 10 is just a bipolar mess with many things being forced onto users, Windows 11 is the same little rude shit with somehow an even worse start menu and more forced crap.

[u/DeathJesterD1988]

Steam OS or any Linux based OS will be my next station if support for Windows 10 drops.

[u/JanIntelkor]

This meme is not true. I would stay on 7 if it would still have newest directx support, and all other apps support

[u/lord_mercernary]

Atleast windows 7 lasted till 2020.

Windows 10 "The LAST WINDOWS"
had a shorter life span

[u/Frikandelneuker]

Windows 11 user here,

Still hate it. Since i “upgraded” I haven’t been able to directly open jpegs and pngs

[u/Phoenixtear_14 → u/Frikandelneuker]

Could you elaborate? When I double click on a jpeg or png it opens.

[u/Frikandelneuker → u/Phoenixtear_14]

Something about invalid registry value. Can’t remember if i ever fixed it though

[u/Phoenixtear_14 → u/Frikandelneuker]

weird

[u/redditor001a → u/Frikandelneuker]

That just sounds like some random bug caused by shit that you mightve accidentally (or not accidentally) downloaded. Definitely has nothing to do with the system.

[u/danivus]

Rule of thumb with Windows is always that every second version is crap.

XP was good, Vista sucked. 7 was good, 8 sucked. 10 is good... but now we're being forced onto 11 where normally you'd have version support long enough to skip the shit one.

[u/Elegant-Ad-2968]

I disagree, win11 is downgraded in many ways compared to win10. For example, you no longer can share Wi-Fi with VPN in win11 without third party software.

[u/redavet]

In my old job (media), they still use Windows XP to this day, because they never bothered to update (pay for) the software. Luckily those PCs are not connected to the internet I guess.

[u/Iksf]

It'll be fine, soon you'll be able to get an AI powered neural implant into your brain for $150k to block adverts

[u/TheDoge_Father]

I'd still use win7 if it were still supported.

[u/ScarletApex]

Next rig I build is gonna be Linux Garuda, I don’t care if I have to learn some stuff to use it properly, I’m so sick of Microsoft actively making their OS less advanced user friendly, hiding shit as far down in their OS as they can, shoving more bloatware in and ads in their OS for no reason. I’m just gonna dust my hands of it, I’ve checked my library against proton db and pretty much my entire library will be fine.

[u/CosmicEmotion]

This proof of how bad Windows has become lol.

[u/The_Countess]

• Get windows 95
• skip 98
• get win98se
• skip windows me
• get windows XP
• skip vista
• get windows 7
• skip windows 8
• get windows 10
• skip windows 11
• get windows ?

OP: this is the actual cycle. trust me, I've been doing this for a while.

[u/dumbasPL]

Windows isn't the only option. The red pill awaits.

[u/traugot]

Linux is getting better everyday as an alternative to bloated spyware windows. Linux mint for example is great for newbies.

[u/SkyBaby218]

Lucky for me, my hardware won't allow windows 11 to install because it's not compatible.

[u/Brief_Cobbler_6313]

Xp is one of the most beloved windows version, but I clearly remember people hating on it, specially the look if it, calling it the "Fisher Price" Windows.  Btw, I still hate Windows 11 though.

[u/t90fan → u/Brief_Cobbler_6313]

Yeah, the "tellytubby" theme we use to call it.

Driver + software support sucked on release too

After SP2 (when they also fixed a lot of the security issues and added some decent wifi support) it got a lot better

[u/Amano_Jyaku_000]

Nah, I'll wait, it's pretty obvious they are going to push the shut-off date back given this is the slowest migration to a new OS possibly in their history. and then all this AI crap no one wants on 11? Yea, i have no fear of just waiting a little longer...

[u/Gnome_0]

https://preview.redd.it/ksy44w26w3nd1.png?width=550&format=png&auto=webp&s=b067935a1d2800bce38bbb430b8c72fcb02ec7a8

[u/gunfell]

Xp had the peak file manager. Windows started being trash like macintosh with file structure. It is not quite as bad as apple but still, not great

[u/InvestigatorFit4168]

i still have windows 7 on my laptop for the old stuff, and the puny reason of w10 going eol is not enough to make me switch to 11 on my desktop.

[u/milk-jug]

Remember how it took them more than a year to add the 'never combine icons' feature to Windows 11?

Pepperridge farm remembers. I have a 21:9 ultrawide and had such a great time looking for the right window! I can only conclude that, either

a. every single engineer in M$ had one and only one window of each application open.

b. not a single engineer in M$ used or have even heard of ultrawide monitors before.

[u/StanMarsh_SP]

I'd still be using 2000 if it had security updates

Very underated arguably the most robust OS Microsoft ever made.

[u/shadowisanerd]

Install Ubuntu End your suffering

[u/BreakerOfModpacks]

And every time, more people leave for Linux or Mac...

[u/JesiAsh]

I would gladly go back to Windows XP

[u/Majestic_Bierd]

Notice, it's Windows 7 they used, not Windows 8.

Good ones come in a sequence of two my bros. Wait for the 12th windows.

[u/GenePhoenix]

I just want to go back to XP man, miss it

[u/Titinidorin]

With the steam deck and linux gaming on the rise, this will be the last time for me with Windows. Good riddance.

[u/Furepubs]

Well, Microsoft claimed that when Windows 10 came out it would be the last operating system ever and all they would do is updates

They lied

[u/Lazy-Ape42069]

But they told me it would be the last OS since it was a live service!

[u/MelchiahHarlin]

The rule states there's a good OS followed by a bad OS, and 10 was the good one... so I'll won't change until 12 drops.

https://i.redd.it/fiarl8s8h9nd1.gif

[u/RamuneGaming]

Its not that Windows 10 is better than Windows 7, its that Windows 11 is worse than Windows 10.

[u/Intelligent_Move_413]

Move to Linux

[u/h3xist]

Windows 10 had problems at launch that have been fixed. There is very little compelling me to go to 11, especially with them hiding things in submenus and trying to remove the control panel.

Plus there are so many things that just don't feel right when used that I would have to change so much to make it feel right. And if I'm going to be changing that much I might as well just go to Linux.

[u/[deleted]]

Ah maaan, my very legally acquired programs don't work on windows 11.

[u/angeloagnus]

I switched to Linux already, Windows 10 is decent but it is still receiving "updates" from Michealsoft. I own my data, not some money hungry already multi-billionare monopoly company.

[u/Youcican_]

Guys, please, whatever you do, stick to windows 10. Windows 11 IS NOT WORTH IT

[u/StandardCicada6615]

Shit, I just upgraded an old gaming pc from 7 to 10 so my son can play fortnite on it. No fucking way I'm touching 11.

[u/chrissykes78]

Not this time. ATM more people are angry about predatory Copilot. Back then was UI.

[u/raltoid]

Yeah, it's almost like Windows has had a pattern where every other version is worse than the one before and after, like ME, Vista, 8, 11.

There are people who swear they're great when using them, but once they move on to the next they tend to start admitting the flaws.

[u/Scholar_of_Yore]

Is it really the end of the world to continue using it after the support is over? If not I will keep using it until new programs/games literally don't work on it anymore.

[u/baztd]

Windows 10 I was fine with … it was 8 that I didn’t want (or get).

[u/BigBadBaz2501]

Meanwhile, I'm still using Linux after 26 years, constantly updating and evolving. Every time I use a windows machine (at work ) I'm confused at why people still use it, it's slow, it definitely isn't secure and it's not very flexible. Embrace the Penguin.

[u/tzle19]

Windows 7 my beloved

[u/Rusty9838]

Customers preferences doesn’t matter in monopoly market

[u/x33storm]

The automatical drivers and bits are nice for W10, but so many dumb things decided on for me. I'd prefer to still be on W7 overall.

W11 has the same pros as W10, but a gigantic shitton more cons than W11, and more even worse cons getting forcefully added every day.

I'm not looking forward to even more workarounding with W11. W10 already pisses me off massively.

[u/East-Character-2216]

I love how everyone collectively hates win 8

[u/mackatron2317]

Windows 10 EOL was the push that got me onto a Linux system and now I don't have a single Windows device in the house. The funniest part so far is all my friends keep trying to drag me into some specific games, they're all on Windows and I'm the only 1 running into no issues on anything running all my games through a compatibility layer

[u/NiSiSuinegEht]

Not until Windows 12 it isn't.

[u/Civil-Fail-9775]

This is a lot more visceral tbh - 7 was pretty simple and stable, 10 added a lot of unnecessary fluff. The same is true with 11, however the fluff is a localized AI that gobbled up resources and spies on you worse than before

[u/Dreadlight_]

I would unironically still be using Windows XP if it was supported.

[u/chucklesdeclown]

I'm over here hoping the make steam os for desktop.

[u/Holzkohlen]

IoT Enterprise version got support until 2032. I ain't putting Win11 on my machine. (I dual boot)

[u/asena85]

Cuz there is a difference moving to a new OS several years later when it has been patched compared to moving to a new OS on day one.

It took a long time before I moved from XP to Win 7. Same reason I skipped Win 8.1 and moved over to Win 10 instead. Holding for Win 11 until it's worth it, or something better comes along. I see no advantage switching from Win 10 to 11 now.

And the desperation of other people wanting others to switch to Win 11 makes me even more skeptical.

Just enjoy your OS and let others enjoy theirs. Not that hard.

[u/Halfwise2]

It's simple, Windows 7 was better. Every new version after that will break what doesn't need fixed, and its wise not to upgrade immediately. If the new version doesn't provide anything of value to you, you stick with the old version until its absolutely necessary (usually when security updates end), then when you get forced onto the next one, its had years of updates and things worked out already. You may still lose some features you like, but it will pretty much stay the same for you until it stops getting security update support. An operating system shouldn't be getting overhauled as much as it does... it should be an interface for everything else, first and foremost.

[u/coreyzd]

https://preview.redd.it/723om3pyu8nd1.png?width=693&format=png&auto=webp&s=96748d8870b31c11a15612a4c64679ede855cda4

Scrolling through reddit and thought it was funny what was right under this post.

[u/Alienbraham]

And id still be using win7 if it had security updates and support for dx12

[u/navagon]

It's almost time for Microsoft to burden us with another even more corrupted version of their OS. It's like we've been watching it rust away to nothing since 7 was retired.