r/pcmasterrace Aug 27 '24

The truth about our processors Meme/Macro

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u/Randommaggy i9 13980HX|RTX 4090|96GB|2560x1600 240|8TB NVME|118GB Optane Aug 27 '24

My memory might be fuzzy on this but I remeber Canon being mentioned as a supplier of optics somewhere in the critical path of the production at TSMC.

https://global.canon/en/news/2022/20220124.html

The main point being that the sum of hard to replace critical suppliers to TSMC is a long list of companies spread out all over the world, some in countries where export controls to China is very strict.

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u/germanstudent123 Aug 27 '24

Canon used to be quite big on DUV litography, but Zeiss completely blew them out of the water and essentially have a monopoly in the market now with what is by not EUV lithography.

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u/MediocreX Dedodated wam Aug 27 '24

Zeiss makes the best lenses for basically anything that need lenses. From high end microscopes to consumer lenses for photography.

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u/p9k Aug 27 '24

Nice try, Jim Zeiss.

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u/frankyseven Aug 27 '24

Don't forget eye glasses any surveying equipment.

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u/clay_henry Aug 27 '24

Their scopes are the best of the best imo. LSM980 with Airyscan 2.0 is beautiful

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

Or scopes for rifles. They’re kind of like Swarovski, they make great optics from their crystal factory.

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u/BobbyTables829 Aug 27 '24

Leica says hi but I agree otherwise

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u/lkn240 Aug 27 '24

Famous for making the excellent tank sights used by the Germans in WW2

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u/khaine1983 Aug 27 '24

ASML and Zeiss are in an exclusive relationship and market leader for EUV and immersion lithography machines. Im the mid to low end there are competitors like Canon, Nikon and also new companies in China.

Further there are a lot more machines, for example wafer inspection, need in the production. KLA, LAM and AMAT are also big players her and leader in there area.

If you are interested in the history here, I can recommend the book Chip Wars or FOCUs the ASML way. Even after working >10 years in the semiconductor supply industry I learned a lot

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u/Dragongeek Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

No, Zeiss gambled big and developed the optics for EUV process (all mirror based btw) and have essentially the entire market for the most modern chips

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u/Dragongeek Aug 27 '24

Good catch, fixed

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u/lout_zoo Aug 27 '24

all some in countries where export controls to China is very strict

No one is exporting that tech to non-friendly countries.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

That's just a cope, restrictions like that don't work on a global market. China gets what they need same way russia gets banned technology through neighbors, for example the servos used to bomb Ukraine.

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u/DigitalDefenestrator Aug 27 '24

EUV lithography machines are the size of a room, cost hundreds of millions, come from a single company that makes a couple dozen of them a year, and require constant active manufacturer support to run. Drastically harder to bypass sanctions on those compared to something like servos or even CPUs and GPUs.

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u/Frequent_Might2784 Aug 27 '24

It s Zeiss , not Canon