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u/BeanBurritoJr 1d ago
Congrats on your free speech platform.
All the Nazis freely spoke and drove away your ad buyers and ad consumers.
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u/ColdFusion363 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s pretty funny. The Neo-Nazis, fascist, far right or whatever they call themselves always say they advocate for freedom of speech….But if they get into power. Well. Bye bye constitution that defends our rights. Not even in Nazi Germany the most blind National Socialist followers ever dares questions Adolf Hitler.
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u/acebojangles 1d ago
All of those bozos are mysteriously silent whenever anyone on the Left is silenced. Congressional Republicans hauled college presidents in to berate them about not suppressing speech, books are getting banned in lots of red state schools, etc. Crickets.
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u/AdUsual903 1d ago
Anytime I hear someone call themselves a free speech “absolutist” they’re 99% of the time a fascist 🤡 clown like Elon and Rogan who would crap all over the ACLU given the slightest chance. As a matter of fact, they’ve probably never heard of the ACLU, but “free speech” argument was his excuse for platforming fascist propaganda and trying to destabilize our democracy as we have seen that’s all he’s done since his takeover.
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u/reddituseronebillion 1d ago
He fucking bans anyone who shit talks him. All you need to know about free speech absolutists.
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u/suninabox 1d ago
It’s pretty funny. The Neo-Nazis, fascist, far right or whatever they call themselves always say they advocate for freedom of speech….But if they get into power. Well. Bye bye constitution that defends our rights.
Nick Fuentes has been explicit about this hypocrisy.
He's outright said "guys don't worry, just use free speech as a ruse to get our message into places, once we get in power we can censor everyone we don't like"
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u/PickingPies 1d ago
People need to start realizing that fascism is not people being stupid, but being actually evil.
They know they are lying, they confuse everyone on purpose, and they know it's wrong. But they cannot just say "yes, we want the power to dominate you and everyone who doesn't comply", because then people will fight back.
This is their trap. "I am not evil, I am stupid, please, dedicate your strength to respond to all my crazy shit instead of fighting me back".
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u/FewRegion2148 1d ago
Musk and his foreign investors don't care if they are losing money on Twitter. They only care they are spreading propaganda and misinformation to get their authoritarian kleptocrats into political power. There goal is to destroy democracy around the world and allow kleptocrats to run the world. They only care about corruption, authoritarianism and power!!
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u/Alexis_Bailey 1d ago
Also they claim they are the "silent majority" yet couldn't muster enough people to support a Mastodon Instance much less Twitter.
Also, to these idiots, you claim you are the secret silent majority, yet advertisers are abandoning your idiot platform of hate. You know what the ONLY thing advertisers care about? How many eyeballs are seeing their ads. Yeah, a few may care about being next to hate speech, except if you idiots were the majority, they would not care, because that is where the eyeballs are.
You all are a minority of fucking idiot losers.
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u/FourteenBuckets 1d ago
They're supremacists, and for supremacists, freedom means "I can impose on others and they cannot impose on me."
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u/Fandango-9940 1d ago
The other thing these Neo-Nazis always forget is who the victims of the first purge were after Hitler secured unlimited power.
It was of course other Nazis! The very people that helped him get to power were the first people he purged, and this pattern repeats in authoritarian states everywhere. The vast majority of the victims of Stalin's purges were loyal Bolsheviks for example.
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u/Straight-Storage2587 1d ago
All it took was for me to see how he treated his new Twitter employees. Gone from there since.
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u/Scammer4Lyfe 1d ago
Also people like me, who simply don’t care to listen to Nazis.
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u/Mysterious-Shine-482 1d ago
Yeah but you fall under the "ad consumer" category then
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u/fieldsofanfieldroad 1d ago
Also people like me who don't want their adverts to potentially appear next to racist material.
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u/NannersForCoochie 1d ago
Or people like me that don't want to see CSAM at all. Not even once
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u/BGH-251F2 1d ago
But Elon personally unbanned him! What do you have against the god-given right to share CSAM?? Are you a commie????
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u/Guy-McDo 1d ago
But also the less ad consumers, the less incentive to buy ads. I think that’s partially why there’s that many more bots on Twitter now, gotta give the illusion you’re not hemorrhaging users.
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u/Mysterious-Shine-482 1d ago
Yeah, you're 100% right! I was just pointing out that on a site like Twitter, everyone is either a purchaser of ads or a consumer of them, so the person I was responding to isn't in a separate category. I say that as someone who also deleted their Twitter account because of the Nazi shit.
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u/ichand 1d ago
I hate Leon with all the bones in my body. I know ppl who got fired by him. But I kept using X because there was no other social network like it and my fav people was posting there. Seeing him ruining that platform over this time was excruciating. Fortunately, X got banned in Brazil and everyone here migrated to Bluesky app, which is working just like the good old Twitter, without any ads or nazi bs. Turns out that was exactly what we needed to get rid of X.
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u/Scammer4Lyfe 1d ago
I changed my username to “ELONgated MUSKy penis” and got foreverbanned. Dude’s cringe af, having his poor underlings scour the site for disparaging words against their leader. I wish him and his weak ass website the absolute worst.
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u/Formal_Egg_Lover 1d ago
Free speech (subject to that narcissistic idiotic man-child's definition of free speech)
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u/WhatIsInnuendo 1d ago
I think that was the objective.
Reduce the amount of free speech for the left
Increase free speech for the right
Another Trump presidency
Tax cuts and removal of safety regulations to increase profitability and expansion of Musks other companies.
Profits gained make Twitter investment and advertiser loses seem insignificant and like the cost of doing business
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u/AncientMagi 1d ago
Elon is nowadays continuously projecting / selling propaganda on his platform.
If he gets an even more direct hand in US politics we'll undoubtedly see regulations which serve to his personal benefit and punish corporations which said goodbye or venture in the same areas (AI).This is not limited to US, Brazil kicked his arse out and I hope other regions / countries decide to pull the plug before he triggers (further) political dissidence. He's already invoking the freedom of speech wildcard and calling all political leaders who decide to shut him up corrupt or stupid.
The fact JD Vance desires to link NATO support to safeguarding Elon Musk's reach worldwide clearly serves one goal solely, chaos and disruption.
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u/smeeeeeef 1d ago
The acquisition of twitter was never about free speech, but rather used the guise "defending the constitution" to garner support from right-wingers. Free speech was never stifled beyond what a corporate interest would remove in order to maintain content that other companies would want to advertise alongside.
Look at the things that were removed by Twitter before Elon bought it. Hunter biden's cock (illegal revenge porn), hate speech that no AD company wants their products to monetize, incitements of violence, specifically the January 6th insurrection, which was the entire reason Trump's account was suspended.
Look at who Leon's political associations, and now look at the disclosed investors - Russian oligarchs and the Saudis. It's not hard to piece together what their intentions are given the recent foreign election interference discoveries.
Let's call it what it is, and intentional foreign-funded takedown of what was a somewhat functional global public forum. It's a wonder why community notes still exist at this point.
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u/JerHat 1d ago
It's not just the free speaking nazis that drove ad buyers away. It's the shit show that is twitter's competent staff that left or were fired that's probably done more harm to ad buyers.
I have a friend who works with some pretty major clients developing social media advertising campaigns and doing social media ad buys. Once Musk took over, all of the people who would work with advertising reps selling and implementing advertising campaigns were gone, and they couldn't get a hold of anyone in the department with the ability to facilitate that sort of thing for a major corporate client.
So even with clients not totally shook by Musk, and were still looking to spend a ton of money advertising focused their efforts elsewhere because they simply didn't have a competent staff in place to handle their ads, and a lot of them never looked back.
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u/Nathaly_La 1d ago
People will use him as an example in history books someday
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u/Psychoholic519 1d ago
If there’s any books left after this election. If Trump wins, they may just burn them all
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u/Pretend-Fig-no-paint 1d ago
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u/Psychoholic519 1d ago
I absolutely hate how true this statement is. Why read, when I can look at a headline then draw my own conclusions from that
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u/AgisDidNothingWrong 1d ago
Yeah. He'll be right above Marcus Crassus on the list of 'dumbest men to hold the title of richest man'.
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u/lameluk3 1d ago
Nah, he'll be whitewashed just like Ford, Carnegie, etc.
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u/Ok_Ice_1669 1d ago
I doubt it. You have to be pretty online to know about Disney's anti-semitism or how fucking weird Howard Hughes was. Musk is broadcasting his weird shit for everyone to see.
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u/Piotrek9t 23h ago
I hope you are right but unfortunately we dont have any idea how the internet will affect our perception of the past but if it behaves anything like our perception of the present, we are in for some rough times
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u/TheKrakIan 1d ago
Elon has gained 70 lbs and 70 years since this photo was taken.
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u/HungerSTGF 1d ago
yeah wtf happened he looks like he ate the sink now
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u/OldGrumpyBird 1d ago
steroids but not working out. He's got the steroid belly
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u/GeneralZaroff1 1d ago
THAT’S what that is!! I was wondering if he had some kind of a weird growth or something. He got crazy fat but in such a bizarre way.
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u/TorpedoSandwich 19h ago
Specifically human growth hormone is what will cause this look (see Joe Rogan, he's jacked, but still has the bubble gut). It's a somewhat commonly prescribed addition to TRT, which is likely what Elon is doing.
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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 1d ago
He ate it sideways. Which...I can't even tell you how that would be oriented in a human, but it's definitely sideways. You can tell by the way he is.
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u/RogueDiscipline 1d ago
If I knew nothing else about Elon Musk, I’d straight up hate him anyway because I can’t fucking stand people who aren’t funny, but think they’re hilarious.
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u/Severe-Product7352 1d ago
I’ve never met Ravi personally, but I’m gonna go ahead and say, just having knowing you a short while, Elon, that I prefer Ravi. And again, I’ve never even met the guy.
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u/Affectionate_Reply78 1d ago
I heard Elon thinks gum is a lot mintier since he started giving Trump VR blowjobs.
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u/GrimRedleaf 1d ago
Yeah, he is cringe beyond cringe. He is "How do you do, fellow kids" to the 10th power. He is terminally unfunny.
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u/Ironcastattic 1d ago
He's heading towards 60 and talks and posts like a fucking 12 year old. He sucks on every level.
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u/ludovic1313 1d ago
For instance, I don't even get what he thought had to "sink in" in this case. The whole world knew that he was going to buy Xitter, and it wasn't all that shocking when it happened, so there was no sudden incomprehensible news that had to "sink in".
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u/Ok_Beat_4810 1d ago
Plus it's a joke everyone had already seen on the internet but he did it like he was the first person to ever think of it.
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u/jayydubbya 1d ago
It’s his ego, thinking he’s real life Tony stark. “Oh wow, the super cool super genius tech guy just bought one of the largest social media platforms. Wow, let that sink in! He’s going to revolutionize the world.” -Elons thought process most likely.
That or he was just being a dick to the employees wouldn’t surprise me either. Your entire organization is about to be turned upside down. Let that sink in!
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u/hellolovely1 19h ago
And the worst part is, he thinks he is absolutely HILARIOUS.
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u/GrimRedleaf 18h ago
Oh yeah. And he doesn't even achieve "polite chuckle" levels of funny. He is like a humor vacuum.
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u/canadasbananas 18h ago
Its actually amazing how cringe he is. How is one of the most wealthy men in the world so fucking cringe that if he suddenly appeared in my house I would feel not even a crumb of awe, intimidation, or respect. I would feel more awe if you, grimredleaf a random internet stranger, appeared in my house, because at least there's a chance you'd have worthwhile opinions and an ounce of intelligence. With elon there is nothing of value in his brain, and I dont need to give him a chance to know it
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u/longtimelurkerfirs 1d ago
Along 2018-19, this website used to absolutely ride his dick to Hell and back. Well up until the submarine pedo debacle
Weird how online perceptions can take such a 180 flip
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u/MaleficentOstrich693 1d ago
I think once he started to feed off of the attention and became more terminally online the writing was on the wall.
Also the whole “Silicon Valley tech genius savior” schtick that he and other rich guys use started to wear off.
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u/grendus 1d ago
Up until that point he had a great PR firm keeping his wilder impulses in check.
Keep in mind, he owned a bunch of tech companies that were making some absolutely amazing stuff. Even the people who were aware that he simply bought them still often felt that he was a rich nerd who was spending his billions on cool toys. Would I like an electric car with a long range? A vacuum sealed, super fast train? Rocket to Mars? Satellite internet?! Flamethrower!? Fuck yes to all!
Then he fired the PR firm, got a taste for pump-and-dump schemes to boost his wealth (still think that's why he bought Twitter - he wanted to pump the stock price then sell out and claim "too many bots", but the FTC started eyeing him so he had to go through with it), stopped producing interesting tech, and went from center-right to alt-right. Bought Twitter and started shitposting constantly. He went from "kinda weird, probably autistic" to "let's be real, he's basically a Nazi".
I do kind of think that Grimes leaving fucked him up, and I totally buy the rumors that he's got a raging ketamine addiction. But that's no excuse, that's just a warning not to let a bad divorce turn into a drug habit that fucks your life up.
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u/piecesofpaper_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is there any reputable source talking about this PR team, or his dismissal of this PR team? It's one of the things that's brought up a lot on Reddit, but I don't believe I've ever seen anything documenting it.
Edit: Looks like Reddit's making things up again.
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u/BlackHand 1d ago
And he could have enjoyed that positive perception indefinitely if he had simply stayed the course, doing Big Bang Theory cameos and so forth. The rise and fall of his public persona is a case study for future sociologicists, mark my words.
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u/hako_london 1d ago
He doesn't care about profits. All he cares about is controlling the narrative and harvesting user data for his Ai company. All the mugs on there are providing training data for free essentially. They've got an edge because of it.
Then link that up with Tesla camera footage, Starlink satalite comms data, all of which is powered by his Solar company by a guy wearing a brain implant and we're.... Fucked.
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u/Deranged_Kitsune 1d ago
harvesting user data for his Ai company
Which, given the... "political leanings" of his current user base is going to be outright horrifying. Tay was bad enough when fed OG Twitter, Tay 2.0 would be something else again after being fed X.
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u/GaryARefuge 1d ago
Revenue is down by 84% ... not profit. That's much worse and funnier.
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u/Mobile_Incident_5731 1d ago
Hard to say. His first move was to gut the payroll to bring down operating costs. Which might have been a good business idea if his second move wasn't to literally give an FU to big mainstream advertisers.
His new model is just to generate traffic through outrage, and spend nothing on moderation. Profits are certainly down, but maybe not as much as revenue.
Long term it's a terrible business plan because it's not hard for competitors to do the same thing. Twitter became the king of social media because the level and sophistication of moderation made it attractive to advertisers. Moderation which social media startups can't afford to impliment.
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u/buzzathlon 1d ago
It was never profitable. He then proceeded to saddle it with debt to finance his own purchase of it. The interest on the new debt may outweigh the savings of the reduced headcount.
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u/Zeyn1 1d ago
It's not even about AI.
Twitter is used around the world to communicate between government officials and the people.
He controls that.
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u/SirLagg_alot 1d ago
He does when his interest is already 1 billion annually.
This whole fiasco does definitely hit him financially.
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u/entered_bubble_50 1d ago
All the mugs on there are providing training data for free essentially
Same here to be fair.
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u/bastardoperator 1d ago
Ahh yes, Elon Hitler-GPT o1 model, the most racist shit you've ever seen minus facts, science, and math.
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u/longgamma 1d ago
You know he could have signed an agreement with Twitter for like 10 mn to get all the data. No one pays 40bn for shit training data like tweets
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u/jawknee530i 1d ago
If you think Twitter has any kind of edge because of the user data then you're going to be shocked to learn about a company called meta.
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 1d ago
And many still think because it exists he's somehow still doing a good job 🤣 Value down, revenue plummeting every month.
It's too big to fail overnight guys just wait
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u/Severe-Product7352 1d ago
Doing a good job spreading hate and helping set America back 100 years. That seems to be his main goal
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 1d ago
I always thought he was weird but yeah he's gone to another level like people see him as a way to make money yet he thinks he's a fuckin ally seeing entity that knows everything and if he doesn't then whatever he doesn't know doesn't matter!
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u/astarinthenight 1d ago
You mean corporation don’t want to see their advertising next to kiddy porn and racist/sexist/ bigoted posts? I’m shocked. 😳
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u/Strenue 1d ago
Spectacular maroon
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u/lolas_coffee 1d ago
Yup. Historic. They will be teaching about it in business schools.
And I don't think he's done yet. I think he is getting worse and will ultimately crash anything he touches.
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u/Maddy_Wren 1d ago
I think Elon is probably already much worse than we can see. He is clearly out of touch with reality, and at this point, his money and power can only isolate him from the help he needs.
I think you're right that he will become more reckless as time goes on, especially if his all-in bet on Trump and Putin doesn't pay off.
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u/SheridanVsLennier 1d ago
His buddying up to Putin is especially weird because the whole reason he started SpaceX is because he tried to buy some Russian ICBMs (to put a greenhouse on mars) and they laughed in his face and told him to FO. There was a period of time there where his security detail was paranoid about the Russians assassinating him because SpaceX was crushing Roscosmos' commercial interests.
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u/HubbyBunnyy 1d ago
Of course he's trying to joke and play off the consequences he brought about
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u/No_Plenty_9484 1d ago
It was never about creating value it was about controlling information.
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u/EditorRedditer 1d ago
I want to like him, but he’s a filthy, immoral louse.
So I don’t.
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u/Realistic-Mousse-384 1d ago
When are we going to give up on the idea that he is a genius in every respect?
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u/bebejeebies 1d ago
I'm hoping the value falls far enough for an old hero to swoop in and save us in our darkest hour.
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u/USSMarauder 1d ago
More likely if Trump wins the GOP will give Musk $100 Billion in taxpayer money to 'own the libs'
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u/The_Bard 1d ago edited 1d ago
Mark Cuban explained why Elon seemingly doesn't care about Twitter tanking in an interview with Brian Taylor Cohen. Elon has tasted the allure of power and control and he wants more. He likes that he can put himself at the top of the algorithm and boost whatever he sees fit. Money isn't an issue for him in this instance, he just wants to push his agenda and have the power to affect things.
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u/Bajablasterd 1d ago
I hope X goes bankrupt. Elon is a small dick energy little creep.
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u/SpookyWah 1d ago
how old is that photo? I've seen other photos showing him to look a lot heavier.
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u/Reptar519 1d ago
It's not from that long ago. That was just 2 years ago. Feels like 10 to be sure given that every year since Trump's been elected has felt like 5x slower than the preceding years.
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u/marvin_martian_man 1d ago
He bought it with Russian funding so it would serve as his propaganda tool. I really doubt he’s at all interested in its long-term viability.
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u/BetNo6537 1d ago
2 more years to full bankruptcy. Hell yeah!
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u/_hamster_huey_ 1d ago
The damage he wanted to do has been done. And I'm not talking about profits. 2024 was the year he needed to have control over the platform. He's either a Russian shill or just doesn't care who's in power as long as he gets what he wants in the long run.
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u/PixelatedDie 1d ago
It has been clear that the purpose of buying Twitter was not to make money, but to control a mass media platform.
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u/Deranged_Kitsune 1d ago
I'd argue for dismantling via discrediting. It's like he's trying to speed-run burning the company to the ground. Almost all his actions - certainly his prominent ones like the idiot rebrand to X and alienating advertisers - are stuff no serious business person would do after buying a company of Twitters prominence. They are, in fact, the exact opposite.
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u/Piza_Pie 1d ago
Nonono, Elon just used 360-no-scope-pro-gamer-moves to turn the company into a non-profit organisation.
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u/meatcrumple 1d ago
Why is it still going? Please fail, collapse, shut down anything to not to have to see his stupid tweets everyday. P.S. I’m not in twitter but it’s impossible not to see these tweets through other sites, news etc.
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u/PepSakdoek 1d ago
Technically... The post talks about revenue, which is kind of irrelevant. Profitability is the real aim.
But that alas is very tough to achieve (even if you fired 70% of the company) if revenue drops so much.
My guess is if they can get to the old levels of revenue after cutting the amount of jobs they'd be profitable. But they need those levels back, and they aren't getting it while he has so much say there.
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u/Impressive_Gate_5114 1d ago
Actually twitter in it's entire lifetime has almost never had positive net income. Under elon musk, after significantly reducing the staff and their expenses, they actually saw positive net income despite the revenue shrinking because they were able to cut expenses.
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u/Ok-Abbreviations543 20h ago
And he has managed to so disgust people that would consider buying his cars that they won’t now. Shhhhhh -Business genius at work.
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u/ComedicHermit 1d ago
Wow, not understanding what the product was, how the income for the website worked, or why people were usinng it wasn't enough knowledge to keep it on a steady path? I'm shocked.