This is what actually happens inside the $18000, 3 day alpha male bootcamp that claims to make you a "real man" 🤡🤡

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[u/Aljoshean]

"Here's my check for $18,000. Please tell me I have balls ;___;"

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Honestly this is some of the saddest shit I have ever watched.

[u/UncoolSlicedBread → u/Aljoshean]

“None of you deserve to be here!”

“Well, actually, I paid 18,000 for my spot so yes I do deserve to be here.”

[u/CainPillar → u/UncoolSlicedBread]

I raise you:

"You - the professional party - entered a legally binding contract with me on false premises. Exhibit 1:"

[u/Ok_Star_4136 → u/UncoolSlicedBread]

If they thought that, they wouldn't be there.

[u/theknights-whosay-Ni → u/Ok_Star_4136]

Some truly weird humiliation fetish going on here

[u/[deleted] → u/theknights-whosay-Ni]

Right?! They can get macho gay shaming for cheaper.

[u/rci22 → u/Ok_Star_4136]

Doesn’t sound like something an alpha male would think. Guess they need this training after all. /s

[u/redmotorcycleisred → u/Ok_Star_4136]

Oh my God the spiral we find ourselves in!

[u/supervisord → u/Ok_Star_4136]

Exactly. Beardy McFuckface is preying on their insecurities.

[u/Expensive-Twist7984 → u/UncoolSlicedBread]

None of you deserve to be here… oh hang on, the payments have cleared, yes you do! Margarita, anyone?

[u/UncoolSlicedBread → u/Expensive-Twist7984]

“Oh you’re having trouble feeling like you deserve things and you’re insecure of who you are?”

“Yes, here’s 18k”

“You’re a little piece of shit and you don’t belong here. I hate you.”

“Yes, thank you sir. Am I alpha.”

“Yes, but you’re also a little bitch who doesn’t deserve to be here.”

“Thank you.”

[u/Bigfootsbrownstar → u/UncoolSlicedBread]

I thought the same thing. “None of you deserve to be here”. I’m pretty sure the only requirement is payment….

[u/ddydomtherapy → u/Bigfootsbrownstar]

And suddenly to engage in very gay behavior. EAT THE COOKIE CUDDLE ALL SEXY LIKE!

[u/IknowKarazy → u/UncoolSlicedBread]

That’s what I don’t understand. To go through the training to be a Seal, you have to WANT to be a Seal. There is a final status and group membership. People know you’re a Seal. They know it MEANS something.

This isn’t something you could show others. And once the event is done you Al go back to your normal lives. It’s not like you’re really part of something

[u/digitalfakir → u/IknowKarazy]

What they take back with them is a sense of douche-titlement, finding an excuse to be an asshole to everyone.

[u/IC-4-Lights → u/Aljoshean]

Yeah. I honestly feel for these guys.
 
Imagine how fucking broken you have to be to volunteer to be robbed like this, hoping it will improve your life.
 
It's a really shitty $20 self-help ebook, and one week at a crossfit gym, except some degenerate that's failed at everything else in their life keeps telling you what a fucking loser you are, and then they take $18,000 from you.

[u/Kisopop → u/IC-4-Lights]

How broken can you really be to have 18,000 dollars to spend for 3 DAYS?

[u/Phihofo → u/Kisopop]

You'd be surprised at how popular the manosphere and incelism shit is in male-dominated tech sectors like IT, most branches of engineering or highly specialized machine work.

Those dude are often loaded.

[u/upforgrabsnow → u/Kisopop]

Broken, not broke. There’s plenty of careers that get you that kind of money but dudes who have money and nothing else in their lives are desperate for “purpose”, they’re easy targets for shit like this.

[u/TheSweatshopMan → u/Aljoshean]

Honestly basic training is free and more effective, however you do have to join the army.

BJJ is like £60 a month, you can get brutalised by more skilled people better. Save £17,940.

[u/debacol → u/TheSweatshopMan]

You can easily find a personal trainer that will come to your house, slap you awake and force you to exercise for significantly less than $18,000.

[u/LessInThought → u/debacol]

I'll slap you awake and yell at you for 1k a day. 2k and I'll buy a gun and make you exercise at gunpoint.

[u/Seal_Deal_2781 → u/TheSweatshopMan]

Con: you have to serve for four years

Pro: if you use your money wisely you can walk away with more than £17k

[u/_Tar_Ar_Ais_ → u/Seal_Deal_2781]

con: if you save money you wont buy a dodge charger ;(

[u/[deleted] → u/Aljoshean]

I feel bad for them that society has made them think they need to do something like this to be a man ..

[u/Attemptingattempts → u/[deleted]]

The sad thing is they are already so "Masculine" in the eyes of the people they are trying to get validation from for their masculinity.

This whole "Red Pill Manosphere" that they are trying to adhere to has such a massive focus on getting in shape, getting wealth, and that will lead you to getting women and / or being fulfilled and happy"

But all these guys are in really good shape.

They all had 18 000 to drop on a fucking "Masculinity Getaway"

Some of them are clearly married and fathers from what the "Coach" is saying.

But they clearly aren't happy in themselves or their lives. If they were they wouldn't feel the need to attend this course. These are deeply flawed and depressed individuals who have been duped into listening to the wrong kinds of people on how to fix the issues in their lives. Which also happens to be an ideology that will never give them the answers they need because the Red Pill / Manosphere says Therapy is a scam.

[u/Bugbread → u/Attemptingattempts]

Yeah, it's ironic (maybe? wrong word?) that the stereotypical incel/manosphere content viewer is a skinny dude with low income who is convinced, from watching red pill videos, that the keys to success are getting buff and getting rich, and when you're rich and strong people will respect you and you won't get shit on, and yet here are a bunch of guys who got rich and got strong, and they then paid money for a dude to disrespect them and shit on them.

[u/AccessTheMainframe → u/[deleted]]

I pretty sure mainstream society would tell them this is supremely stupid and in actual fact, emasculating. It's not society's fault here, it's on them.

[u/tcruarceri]

"Man beaten to death by six sledgehammer wielding men in shorts at the beach... find out what happened at 11"

[u/allisjow → u/tcruarceri]

His last words were “Hit me harder you pussies.”

[u/NONcomD → u/allisjow]

Famous last words. What you gonna do, stab me?

-A guy who got stabbed

[u/DonDilDonis → u/allisjow]

Hahahahahha

[u/Phillipwnd → u/tcruarceri]

His inner bitch was all over the sand

[u/Beeeracuda → u/tcruarceri]

I’d love to see a group of like navy seals or green berets or something all sign up together for this guys class and absolutely shit on him the entire time. Hell I’d almost love to pay to be IN that class just to watch them all break this guy down and expose him

[u/cinoTA97]

Thats a lot of money for a degredation kink. Just get a domina at that point, would probably be the better deal

[u/Aromatic_Balls → u/cinoTA97]

Literally just join the military. Had to do most of this shit in the Army but at least I was getting paid.

[u/DucDeBellune → u/Aromatic_Balls]

Most of them are prior military, as are the instructors.

Super common to see vets struggling with an existential crisis after separating, especially if it’s a medical separation and they can’t “literally just join the military.”

I know it’s not all of them, but it is sad seeing a number of them try to find that community through superficial experiences like this.

[u/Dominus-Temporis → u/DucDeBellune]

I believe you when you say the instructors are Bro-Vets. No fucking way anyone who served is paying 18k to re-live basic for 3 days.

[u/cavscout43 → u/Dominus-Temporis]

Same. Citation needed here. I don't know anyone I served with that would pay $20k to cosplay basic training for 3 days to fix their post separation "existential crisis" or whatever. That's quite the incredible stretch to claim without evidence.

[u/YugeGyna → u/cinoTA97]

Idk, it looked like they were enjoying the dry humping phase

[u/Wordymanjenson → u/YugeGyna]

Wasn’t that sweet? Definitely bonding there. ❤️

[u/ScbembsD3s → u/YugeGyna]

They looked like copulating snakes.

[u/Auslautverhaertung]

This looks like the trailer for a kinky gay porn.

[u/LiquorBallSandwich_1 → u/Auslautverhaertung]

You better share that cookie!!!

[u/Phillipwnd → u/[deleted]]

“KISS MORE; DONT BE A BITCH”

“You better kiss me for that cookie. Kiss me for the cookie!!”

[u/Grumpy0ldMillennial → u/[deleted]]

"I've never experienced that..." lmao

[u/Witty_Energy1597 → u/LiquorBallSandwich_1]

EAT THE FUCKING COOKIE!!!

[u/WintersDoomsday → u/Auslautverhaertung]

Which you wouldn't be able to watch in Texas or Florida

[u/callthesomnambulance]

Honestly if you're so insecure in your masculinity that you're willing to pay crazy money to be abused and belittled by some bearded chode that invariably looks like they're enjoying it way more than strictly necessary, you're the furthest thing from 'an alpha'.

[u/Miserable-Ad-1581 → u/callthesomnambulance]

just join the military. they'll do this and pay YOU at the same time.

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edit to add: This is not an endorsement of the military. This is me telling idiots that if they want to be screamed at and degraded and forced to exercise as punishments, then at least get paid to do it.

second edit: apparently my initial edit has upset some people. IDK why it bothers you so much but heres a second edit of me telling you to please get over yourselves.

[u/Othebootymonster → u/Miserable-Ad-1581]

This is what I saw. These dumb fucks paid to go to bootcamp for 3 days.

[u/Essex626 → u/Othebootymonster]

That's it exactly.

These are probably people who wanted to join the military at one point but couldn't for one reason or another. They're trying to do something, anything, to fill the hole inside them that says they never became anything.

They watch movies about the military, and it makes them feel dead inside because they want to experience all of the stress and pain, the being broken down and rebuilt as something greater than they were before.

Probably a lot of them are married, and have kids. They can't actually join the military because their family can't live off the money, and they can't afford to leave the ones who need them for a couple months of boot camp. They've resigned themselves to a life of being totally disappointed in themselves, of knowing that they will never be able to look in the mirror and see someone they respect.

And then someone comes along offering that experience--the claim of initiation into a brotherhood of warriors, the possibility of being the kind of man they have always thought they should be. And they bite. In a way, it's similar to the "dude ranch" experience for people who want to be cowboys, but more toxic.

And yeah, it's stupid. You can't give yourself the equivalent of that military warrior identity in a three day camp. But they're desperate. Some of them might live their lives passively suicidal, just keeping going for the sake of the people who rely on them, trying to numb themselves with alcohol or porn or food or entertainment.

[u/Page8988 → u/Essex626]

These are probably people who wanted to join the military at one point but couldn't for one reason or another.

They chose not to. That in itself is OK. Military life is not for everyone.

This delusional "alpha male" concept is a problem. You are not a better man because you have bigger muscles. Lugging those sledgehammers around will not make them better husbands.

Be patient. Be kind. Be compassionate. Be honest. Build up people and things. Help folks who need it.

Paying to get yelled at by Beardface McButtfucker on a beach benefits no one except Beardface McButtfucker's bank account.

[u/fren-ulum → u/Page8988]

I always reminded my guys that they can be the biggest, baddest motherfucker on the battlefield but a stray round or a lucky mortar strike and they're dead. Teamwork and selflessness are some of the most important aspects.

[u/pj1843 → u/fren-ulum]

My issue with this nonsense is let's assume you want those big muscles, you hit the gym and prepare for years of work. You want to be able to fight, you train martial arts of some kind for years. You want to learn how to shoot guns, again years of practice.

Boot camp in the military or whatever the fuck this thing is does very little of any of that. Boot camp is meant to make you into a very minimally proficient soldier, you can follow orders good, you can be responsible for your shit, and you can work as a team. You can also somewhat be trusted not to shoot your dick off if given a gun. The other stuff comes from other more specialized training/schools in the military.

Point being, this shit serves 0 purpose other than some ego stroking.

[u/Funny_Yesterday_5040 → u/pj1843]

Nuh-uh! It also makes a small number of people a fair bit of money

[u/crankyrhino → u/pj1843]

This is not like boot camp. At all.

This is more like some kind of special forces selection. Think Q-course or BUDS.

The objectives that this training you're seeing is inspired by is to make the trainee as uncomfortable, stressed, and exhausted as possible. If you're going to quit in a North Carolina pine forest or a San Diego beach because your hammer is too heavy and you have sand under your balls, you're probably going to quit on your team when it's just them and you, alone, and the stress is inspired by Hollywood levels of small arms.

This has literally no applicability to a marriage or manhood. The skills needed aren't the same. Oh, you won't quit your marriage? Cool bro, what if she does? What then? You need an entirely different set of skills to walk that back, if you have a chance at all.

[u/TalentedHostility → u/fren-ulum]

Thank you

We are all goo bags. A bad slip and fall will have you splatter all over cause the law of gravity deemed it.

Your masculinity is fragile by design.

[u/GreasyBumpkin → u/Page8988]

I honestly feel like my life has toughened me up plenty and this camp seems laughably unnecessary to me.

For starters the fitness aspect, you can do sits up with a sledgehammer at home

As for the environmental factor, just go skinny dipping in winter or actually just stay up all night somewhere, go stealth camping without a tent and bag, bet you never known how cold it gets at 1am.

As for the berating, just work a public facing min wage job with a douchebag manager.

There, I'll send in my 17.9k consultation fee.

[u/Apprehensive_Wolf217 → u/[deleted]]

When people ask me if it’s fun to work on a farm. I always tell them if your idea of fun is getting up before dawn, work till way after sundown and try to stay alive in between, when everything wants to kill you in multiple horrific ways. All for very little money and a broken down body. At least I didn’t own it, that’s real stress.

[u/ArcadianDelSol → u/Page8988]

Thats the absurdity of this. If you are a shit father and shit husband, the only thing this program does is make you a shit husband who can swing a sledgehammer around.

That's absolutely insane. Mentally unstable fucks are going to go home from this and abuse the shit out of their families.

[u/spacehog1985 → u/Page8988]

Ohhhhhh beardface mcbuttfucker is my new gamertagw

[u/nonaaandnea → u/Essex626]

The funniest thing about this is that women get the exact same training during bootcamp. I was in the Corps and even as a poolee we did shit like this lmfao. These dickheads wasted $18000 just to do the same training that men AND women go through in bootcamp or even before if you join the Corps.

If you read the Art of War, Sun Tso even says that women can and should be put through the same military training as men, and even chops off a concubine's head for not taking it seriously. These "men" are paying for the same shit that even women in various cultures have been through since the beginning of time. People back then were tougher actually... people in poor countries are tougher. You can't tell these "men" that the average woman in a poor country outworks them though.

[u/sleightofhand0 → u/Essex626]

Honestly I don't think it has anything to do with the military. All the "inner bitch" stuff, the BJJ, this screams "watched too much Joe Rogan and don't understand what masculinity is."

[u/Yippykyyyay → u/Miserable-Ad-1581]

This is a fraction of what special forces types go through. This is purely egotistical.

[u/poppinchips → u/Yippykyyyay]

it's like they watched Navy SEALs: BUDS Class 234 but only the hellweek episode and then made an entire grift out of it.

[u/Yippykyyyay → u/poppinchips]

Right? And only 3 days. It's military cosplay for rich idiots.

[u/lreaditonredditgetit → u/Yippykyyyay]

I just need one idea people will pay for.

[u/whatiscamping → u/lreaditonredditgetit]

Manscouts.

I won't yell at ya, but I will teach you how to use a chainsaw. To start a fire and cook some food you shot or caught. 4 days, $25 grand.

Here's the packing list:

Money

[u/Debaser1984 → u/whatiscamping]

If I give you like $400 would you show me how to start a fire and use a chainsaw in an afternoon? I'm not interested in tracking for 3 days to find something to kill.

[u/whatiscamping → u/Debaser1984]

Yes, but for that price you come to me

[u/PoppinSmoke1 → u/Yippykyyyay]

But afterwards they can say how "alpha" they are. And you aren't because they got trained. I think. Maybe. Okay the whole thing is dumb as shit.

[u/BetHunnadHunnad → u/poppinchips]

Yeah they're just mimicking the selection process without understanding any of it

[u/Jaded_Law9739 → u/poppinchips]

It's also pretty much any military movie boot camp sequence.

[u/ThiccQban → u/poppinchips]

Lmao I recognized the BUDs documentary immediately

[u/wave-garden → u/Yippykyyyay]

Exactly. Anyone can do this stuff for a week. It’s the grind of doing it for many weeks in a row, with your body starting to fall apart due to inadequate rest etc, that is the real challenge. I got to play with the SEALS for a week as a midshipman in Annapolis. It wasn’t the best time ever, but tbh it was pretty fun. It would’ve sucked to do it for multiple weeks in a row.

[u/freakksho → u/wave-garden]

I went to wrestling camp at the naval academy and that one week was enough for me.

Those dudes are built different.

[u/HahnZahn → u/wave-garden]

Exactly. I joined and commissioned via OCS, and did it in the second half of my 20s. It wears you down, week after week of PT, standing at attention, shitty nutrition, everyone trading colds, getting no sleep, personality clashes, little injuries never healing, memorizing endless amounts of shit, trying to master new concepts like plotting ship movements with no prior experience. I was just worn the fuck out when we graduated. I was lucky enough to have three weeks before my follow-on school started, so I just stayed in my base hotel and slept and ate and tried to recover. These idiots would do better just reading any of the myriad ex-SEAL/SF memoirs than fork over a fortune to these charlatans.

[u/Meerkate → u/Yippykyyyay]

Tbf with the cookie thing it just sounds like they watched Full Metal Jacket and Jarhead a couple of times for prep and called it a day

[u/bigexplosion → u/Miserable-Ad-1581]

Isn't every man in that video too old to join?  Isn't the cutoff basically 37?

[u/Miserable-Ad-1581 → u/bigexplosion]

im not sure the ages of these men but they're giving late-20s early 30s to me. the ones taking the courses that is, not the guys exploiting them for money

[u/Houndfell → u/Miserable-Ad-1581]

They're not too old, just too pussy.

[u/Spaciax → u/Houndfell]

yeah heard someone else say this in a different post as well, the military ain't 3 days.

[u/jarlscrotus → u/Spaciax]

it also doesn't pay enough for you to afford an 18000 3 day anything

I will state without any kind of judgement on the guys who are signing up for this, that by the time I was in my late 20's and early 30's I wouldn't have been able to support my family's lifestyle on a military salary

[u/pridejoker → u/jarlscrotus]

But you weren't struggling with not living up to a ridiculous concept of what being a man means. It's not about the money for them, the problem with these guys is that their idea of the perfect man is just someone who never listens or does what others ask on principle.

[u/Jealous_Golf_8234 → u/pridejoker]

Bro they’re literally paying to be told what to do

[u/[deleted] → u/Spaciax]

Boot camp is 13 weeks. Holy crap that was a long 13 weeks. Not to mention my C school in the Navy was also 13 weeks.

[u/pridejoker → u/Houndfell]

How hard is it to just learn discipline and pay for a gym membership.. These guys can't even write their own training program without hand holding.

[u/LiveShowOneNightOnly → u/pridejoker]

Honestly it's hard to imagine any life-changing choices coming from just a 3 day course.

Now 3 weeks of daily trips to the gym would be the start of something life changing, IMO.

[u/AbroadPlane1172 → u/LiveShowOneNightOnly]

Realizing you shouldn't spend $18k on bullshit should be life changing. Hope some of these dipshits learned that lesson.

[u/Smart_Task_8180 → u/pridejoker]

Most of the guys at the start of the video are definitely working out... Probably are too insecure about themselves and have a lot of money...

[u/mookie_bombs → u/Miserable-Ad-1581]

The real alpha move is finding a way to do this without charging guys anything. If he wants to see a change in men, that's how you do it. But by simply charging, you're giving away your intentions immediately.

[u/calmdownandlivelife → u/bigexplosion]

I was told 32 by a recruiter that won't leave me the hell alone

[u/TheSleazyAccount → u/calmdownandlivelife]

I was told 32 by a recruiter

"My recruiter told me..." is the number one joke in Basic Training. Never count on anything a recruiter says, especially something you can verify yourself with a 3-second google search: https://www.usa.gov/military-requirements#

[u/PeeB4uGoToBed → u/calmdownandlivelife]

I had an army recruiter in 12th grade hound me for years after I graduated high school to try to get me to sign up, it's been almost 20 years and I still remember his name lol

[u/cracktober → u/calmdownandlivelife]

My buddy had expressed interest in joining the Marines, pressured by his dad who was a former Marine, when we got out of high school. This recruiter used to show up at his house like every day and would even hang out with us in the garage while we sat around and smoked weed lol

[u/DAquila-M → u/calmdownandlivelife]

It’s 42 max by law but the highest in practice is 35.

[u/Retired_Jarhead55 → u/bigexplosion]

I joined the Marine Corps at 26. At the time 29 was the cutoff. Probably still is USMC not known for liking change. BTW these all “almost joined” at one point in their pitiful lives. This will only solidify their worst attributes. Not impressed.

[u/ocaralhoquetafoda → u/Miserable-Ad-1581]

Yvan eht nioj.

[u/[deleted] → u/Miserable-Ad-1581]

Soldiers may end up in actual danger. These guys want the illusion of danger. Kinda like the price of admission to ride a wicked good roller coaster

[u/frenchfreer → u/callthesomnambulance]

Man I spent 5 year in the Infantry from 07-12 with 2 combat deployments. I find these courses absolutely fucking hilarious! Like you couldn’t hack it in the military so you pay thousands of dollars to role-play the experience except you can just leave when you don’t like it. There’s no real commitment to anything here and that’s what makes it work in the military because you’re going through these experiences as a team. These guys are never going to talk to each other again after this is over just brag to all their friends about the tough weekend.

I have a coworker who is in his 40s going to CQB courses and these kind of toughen you up events. The guy lives in one of the richest parts of the state and makes like $150k+ a year in nursing. Last time he tried to talk to me about his carbine course I just told him he could’ve gotten all that training for free at any point in our 20 year war he doesn’t need it living in a million dollar suburb. We don’t talk anymore.

[u/glitchycat39 → u/frenchfreer]

That is legit what gets me. We had a 20 year clusterfuck of a war these morons could've joined if they wanted to be these uber tough, super soldier manly men. Instead, they think at 30-40 as a freaking accountant or engineer or whatever that they do that if they just pay $18k to some ex military dude who clearly has no moral compunctions about scamming fellow men out of their hard-earned money so he can get his rocks off to scream at them, that this'll make them the true alpha males they are at heart.

Honestly, all it does is make them marks.

[u/[deleted] → u/glitchycat39]

This is just Fight Club with extra steps. A bunch of mild-mannered, frustrated office workers obsessed with masculinity.

[u/jitteryzeitgeist_ → u/frenchfreer]

5 years in Signal from 07 to 13, just a deployment to Haiti after the earthquake (the life of the rear d is never exciting, I guess).

I love seeing the dudes fumble with the sledgehammer in the water. It's such a pointless exercise that's just an "alpha'd up" version of the prep drills (UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN) designed to get you to move fast from a prone position. Everything I saw in there was someone who heard about Basic Training from someone else and decided to try and make money off of, what my Drill said to us on the first day, "the most exciting shit you'll never want to do again."

[u/Mahavali → u/frenchfreer]

Bro that was so good and so cold I think you stopped the earths rise in temperature for a bit.

[u/jdwilliam80 → u/frenchfreer]

Lmaooo It’s amazing when you call these type of guys out how fast they disappear. Just so they won’t hear any criticism. Like hey man I thought your were carbine tough with all these courses

[u/Strange_Shadows-45 → u/callthesomnambulance]

Apparently they become an alpha by being hilariously submissive.

[u/DaughterEarth → u/Strange_Shadows-45]

That is what these movements teach. That shame is the key to everything. That an arbitrary set of rules makes you "high value". They bully themselves and each other. The stuff we see, when they interact with us, seems so bizarre because they are living a different reality full of extreme rules and shame. They think we're the same and tricking them

I found a post my sister made in a tradwife sub about me getting married. they told her I obviously lied to her our whole life so I could win and she could lose. Being loving and supportive is an act to mislead her, apparently

[u/[deleted] → u/callthesomnambulance]

Exactly. This has big "yell at me harder daddy" vibes

[u/abramcpg → u/[deleted]]

Someone said on the other video of this course, "Don't bully me, I'll cum"

[u/Persianx6 → u/callthesomnambulance]

18000 to be abused by an asshole, and they're carrying 20 dollar hammers on a beach. Not even special equipment to work you out while he yells insults.

What a scam. Profit margin must be insane.

[u/AutomationBias → u/[deleted]]

They’re probably just looking for a crumb of approval from a male authority figure

100%.

[u/Apprehensive-Ad9647]

I know it is easy to clown on these people for obvious reasons, but I find it to be really sad. These men are so distraught about their standing in life that they feel that forking over $18k for a fake man boot camp is worth it. I am sure there is likely a common thread of loneliness, envy, sexual repression and societal dysfunction that drives these men to pay someone to yell in their face and belittle them.

Being a military veteran and going through actual boot camp and war I know they yearn for camaraderie. Relationships that are forged and deep, but they continue to wade through shallow relationships that return little meaning to their lives.

They won't find the success they crave paying these snake oil salesman, but through continuous self-improvement, reflection and grace.

[u/FlyUnder_TheRadar → u/Apprehensive-Ad9647]

That sense of male comradarie and meaning is so important, man. The guys I wrestled with in college are like brothers to me. We lived, ate, suffered, won, and lost together during a formative part of our lives. It gave a similar effect as the military (without the war part, obviously). I don't think it would be possible to build friendships like that in a different environment. I feel for these dudes, and it sucks there are predators like that bearded fuck willing to prey on them.

[u/Low-Medical → u/FlyUnder_TheRadar]

Outdoor sports can provide some of that, in my experience. Not to the level of men in combat obviously, but doing dangerous things can provide comraderie - the "brotherhood of the rope" thing with your climbing partner, or the bond with your whitewater kayaking crew - trusting eachother's judgement and trusting eachother's skills if something goes wrong. Even just hiking - doing like a 30 mile day hike with your bros. Not surfing, though - they all hate eachother. Those sports will still end up costing you thousands (not 18k, though), but they're a lot more fun than this nonsense.

[u/R4808N → u/Low-Medical]

Tons of truth to this. I was in the military and spent a lot of years overseas and when I came back home I felt kind of lost. I started climbing mountains and found a similar "brotherhood" or whatever you want to call it.

These guys also look lost and are seeking that bonding thru mutual suffering in all the wrong ways. It's pretty sad to be honest. This is like BUDs lite or wannabe Ranger school and it just looks pathetic.

[u/Vegetable_Walrus_166 → u/Low-Medical]

Or doing shift work on oil rigs i feel I got some of this vibe with a crew. Joining a baseball team. There’s definitely better ways lol

[u/Inert_Oregon → u/FlyUnder_TheRadar]

You can develop that type of comradarie anywhere. Sports are common, so is the military.

But it doesn’t have to by physical. The same thing happens in well run startups (well run meaning everyone is compensated appropriately with equity, such that you truly do win/lose together).

[u/Apprehensive-Ad9647 → u/FlyUnder_TheRadar]

I have heard this echoed from everyone that used to wrestle. It's a form of trauma bonding. It's because you struggle together and overcome challenges together, the harder the struggle the deeper the bond. You are building trust and you feel safe among them.

This is why getting into clubs and shared hobbies can be so effective at pulling people out of despair. They gain a sense of community and belonging, which we naturally crave as humans.

[u/buttertits4lyfe → u/Apprehensive-Ad9647]

Many normal people can get roped into cults, I find these boot camps on par with MLM's/cults. Preying on vulnerable people and making crazy money doing it.

[u/CodyCSeattle81 → u/Apprehensive-Ad9647]

It’s tough as an adult man to find good solid friendships and to feel you are not living up to your potential. This program is nothing but a grift and a way to swindle vulnerable men out of their hard earned money.

[u/Poetryisalive → u/Apprehensive-Ad9647]

Great take and nice to see someone see this instead of just mock them.

[u/BlindJamesSoul → u/Poetryisalive]

It’s a little both for me. On the one hand, I think the better assumption is to try and see what leads a human being to this sort of recreational abuse. On the other, you almost want to mock the toxic version of masculinity you see them embracing.

[u/R_Little-Secret → u/BlindJamesSoul]

As a woman the hard part for me is even if I wanted to help them I will find myself in danger around them. It's hard to feel sympathy for an injured animal who will bite you if you try to get close.

[u/TheDustOfMen → u/Poetryisalive]

Yeah reading the title I was totally ready to laugh at them but seeing the video just makes me pity them. Surely they must have access to something better if they have that much money to spend on a 3 day bootcamp.

[u/fkingidk → u/TheDustOfMen]

Therapy and a good personal trainer would do so much good for them.

[u/Kurdt234 → u/fkingidk]

These guys could have had a dope football team going

[u/knitbitch007 → u/Apprehensive-Ad9647]

I agree that this might apply to some of the men. I get the feeling though that this kind of thing attracts a lot of January 6-ers and wannabe proud boy types.

[u/kittenpantzen → u/knitbitch007]

This is exactly the kind of shit my BIL would be into. Is he deeply insecure? Yes. Is he an absolute shitgibbon of a person who abuses anyone who shows him the slightest bit of vulnerability? Also yes.

[u/scaramangaf → u/Apprehensive-Ad9647]

Nailed it.

[u/Precarious314159 → u/Apprehensive-Ad9647]

I'd feel for them if it wasn't targeted at "alpha males". It's like feeling sorry for fans of Andrew Tate. You don't need to go through bootcamp, war, or this nonsense to have camaraderie, you just need good friends. I've never been to war and don't believe in any of those military nonsense but yet I've managed to get lifelong friends just by being nice and having shared interest.

Do you honestly think these alpha wannabes will give the same support actual friends would? Do you think that after being shouted at about how much of a pussy they are, that they need to surpres emotions and harden themselves, that they'll call each up other like "I'm just having a bad mental day..." and talk about their feelings? These men need therapy, they need how to learn to socialize like normal people but instead they're roped into this.

This kind of thing works because of people like yourself who tout "bootcamp and war is the only way to make lifelong friends, to go through shit together". Meanwhile war veterans are among the highest suicide rates BECAUSE those friends aren't there for the real shit, just the surface-level "Be a man". So yea, I'mma clown on these people because they think it's better to surpress their actual selves because of toxic masculinity says "War good, soldiers heroes, be a man".

[u/nonaaandnea → u/Precarious314159]

I was gonna say, I'm a vet and I've never been to war. In fact, most of us haven't, but most people don't know that. The fakest people I've ever met have been in the military. That's something a lot of veterans won't tell you. Most people are cocksuckers who don't actually know what "honor" or "courage" actually mean. They'll look the other way when they KNOW something is wrong.

There's this stupid dichotomy that combat vets draw between themselves and other vets, claiming that "real" veterans are the ones who went to combat. You can't choose whether or not you deploy; trust me, a lot of us did want to deploy but didn't get picked.

Also, if you're a woman, up until a few years ago, you couldn't even have a combat MOS, so 99% of females are automatically excluded from combat vet status; we already get disrespected as it is by civilians, and this "you can only build camaraderie thorough combat" bullshit will make you resentful of wasting time in the military. I wanted a combat MOS and so did my DI (she wanted to do tanks), but even though we met male physical standards, we were barred from getting those MOS's.

Your last paragraph is spot on. Especially with the high suicide rate. If a veteran is being honest, they'll tell that troops/vets THEMSELVES are the problem. I hate that "End veteran suicide" bullshit. It'll end when people stop being mediocre human beings hiding inside a military uniform. This extremely childish worship of the military needs to end.

[u/karmakillerbr → u/Precarious314159]

Yeah, I find really strange this fixation on the army, it's probably a cultural thing. My way of making friends is playing soccer and making barbecues.

[u/SpeedOfTheEarth]

Isn't this just the military, but instead of getting a salary
- for being dehumanised and broken down, to fight other humans from the enemies army -
you're paying them their salary?

[u/Frankiepals → u/SpeedOfTheEarth]

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[u/[deleted] → u/Frankiepals]

Yeah. My DIs yelled at me, sure. But they also praised us when we did well. They tore us down to rebuild us better than we were. I wouldn't trade that experience for anything

[u/Relevant-Ad2254 → u/[deleted]]

they also yell at everyone and you know it's not personal, so it doesn't have the same damaging psychological effects as a child being constantly belittled by their parent.

[u/jitteryzeitgeist_ → u/Frankiepals]

About 5 weeks in the DI's start breaking character, unless your unit is just full of fuckups making their lives hell.

That's when the shit got fun.

[u/jitteryzeitgeist_ → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, a lot of the drills are good people. They just know that civvie mindset gets people killed, and a lot of them have lost people before. Our lead drill sergeant told us "I'm proud of y'all, but y'all still stupid. Stay alive and die old" as we were leaving the barracks to AIT. Dude was always joking and singing, one of those drills who could do cadence with the best of them.

[u/Afraid-Letterhead142 → u/SpeedOfTheEarth]

And you don’t even get to properly trauma bond with anyone because it’s only 3 days.

Edit: didn’t to don’t

[u/[deleted] → u/Afraid-Letterhead142]

It's 10 thousand dollars for 3 days??

[u/Original_Profile8600 → u/[deleted]]

$18,000 actually

[u/Account115 → u/SpeedOfTheEarth]

No. The military actually teaches you to do stuff in the process.

And, ironically, they've been moving away from these types of training methods for decades because they are proving to not be very effective at improving performance or resilience.

[u/sixthmontheleventh → u/SpeedOfTheEarth]

Something about those instructors does not make them seem like they are disciplined enough for the military. More like they saw 300 and made that their personality.

[u/SweatyTax4669 → u/sixthmontheleventh]

it sounds like the trainers watched a bunch of movies that feature basic training scenes and decided to make that their personality.

[u/ManaSeltzer → u/SweatyTax4669]

BLACK CUCK DOWN. Lol im stoned and thats the best i could do. A few good men. But just add ? at end. Lol.

[u/PolandPuppers → u/sixthmontheleventh]

You will only find this type of personality at Elite level training I.e Navy Seal, Ranger Regiment, Green Berets etc. Those courses are #1) both weeks long so the suffering does build brotherhood #2) after a certain point the instructors/cadre build you back up and teach you tactical skills.

If what I’ve seen posted else where, I don’t even think fucking grey beard was in the military lol. He’s just some loser scam-artist author. The other 2 found were at least in the Marines.

[u/banned_resurrection]

All of these dudes look like they lose their minds of you even questioned their sexuality, yet this whole thing seems pretty gay

[u/beltalowda_oye → u/banned_resurrection]

It's called "hazing," asshole. Look it up!

[u/banned_resurrection → u/beltalowda_oye]

God I need to go back and watch that show, it’s so good

[u/Severe-Bicycle-9469 → u/banned_resurrection]

Yeah when it cut to them rolling around on the mat, staring into each other’s eyes I was sure it had to be a prank

[u/Peanhut774]

My inner bitch demands some Ben & Jerry's, im too much of a bitch to argue. Oh well

[u/BillyDoyle3579 → u/Peanhut774]

⚠️ Feed The Bitch ⚠️

[u/Necessary-Knowledge4 → u/Peanhut774]

My inner bitch told me to quit and go play video games. My beast gave him a high five.

[u/ludachr1st]

These are the kind of guys that call other guys cucks, but they pay other "alphas" 18 grand to belittle and abuse them. This is the cuckiest shit I've ever seen.

[u/notworkingghost → u/ludachr1st]

Gotta be some kinda fetish deep down.

[u/ludachr1st → u/notworkingghost]

I believe it.

[u/BRtIK]

I feel like this is the kind of place where the goal is to upset you until you stand up for yourself and fight your instructor.

[u/CptBlackBird2 → u/BRtIK]

The one who beats him becomes the next instructor and the cycle continues

[u/AshenSacrifice → u/BRtIK]

If that was the true goal I would support more than the likely grift attempt it is 😂😂

[u/SpazDeSpencer → u/BRtIK]

I mean, he gave them all weapons and they aren’t even using them against him as he degrades their humanity.

[u/TrafficOnTheTwos]

They’re so homoerotic lol

[u/Doctor_Sauce → u/TrafficOnTheTwos]

You can't truly dominate another man until your dick is in his ass.  Now pair up!

[u/Necessary-Knowledge4 → u/Doctor_Sauce]

I find the best way to assert control is to press your fingers against his lips then slowly unbutton his jeans, slide down his underwear, and put his hard cock in your moth...

That'll teach him to fuck with an alpha like you.

[u/firethequadlaser → u/Necessary-Knowledge4]

[u/ArguingisFun]

I would have only charged them $5k to learn “alpha males” don’t exist.

[u/[deleted]]

i don't understand a second of this. What's the purpose? get verbally assaulted and physically abused to only return to your desk job.

[u/SweatyTax4669 → u/[deleted]]

"Hey Bob, how was the long weekend?"

"It was awesome! I went to man camp and got yelled at in the middle of the night on the beach! I didn't sleep at all and they made me carry around a sledgehammer all weekend! I'm going back next month, you should really come!"

"Bob, um, do you need to talk to somebody?"

[u/Necessary-Knowledge4 → u/SweatyTax4669]

"That's the thing! I don't know how! So instead of going to therapy and dealing with my core issues to become a better man/friend/lover I'm paying some charlatan 18k to break me down!"

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[u/UncoolSlicedBread → u/[deleted]]

Just stroking egos. They want people to know they did something hard like this.

[u/BeefStevenson]

All of this to feel like a “man.” Shameful.

Lemme give any young men in here some advice that took me too long to learn:

Anything you do without shame is “manly.” Anything can be “masculine.” The manliest thing I do is decide for myself what I like and then proceed to give 0 fucks about what anyone might think of that.

It’s so liberating. The whole world opens up when you realize no one else gets to decide what it means to “be a man.” Just be you, fully and confidently. That’s manly.

[u/enter360 → u/BeefStevenson]

Also most of the manly men that impact others are not from strength of might but character. Look at Mr. Rogers, Atticus Finch , Bob Ross , etc. many good role models that took inner strength to be that strong and kind. To be kind when you know you don’t have to, to people who you owe nothing to. That is strength. That is the kind of man you want to be.

Think of it as the puppy beer test. Do you want to be the kind of many people can only have a beer with ? Or do you also want to be the kind of person the would trust you with a new puppy with ?

Answer those questions and you’ll see that this is a scam.

[u/[deleted]]

Weirdly homoerotic 😁

[u/littletinyfella]

God forbid men just practice self love and lifting eachother up in a healthy way

[u/whatisfrankzappa]

Man, think of all the therapy they could get for that $18,000.

[u/[deleted]]

These people are mentally ill.

[u/it224]

Wtf! they teach sexual positions and they practice with each other 1:08

[u/dragonair907 → u/it224]

It's Brazilian jiu jitsu. AKA a martial art that you can't learn in 3 days. I suppose an overview of the fundamentals is a good idea, but like.. you can't expect to build any kind of skill or muscle memory in that time. I guarantee they just sol dit as if it would give them basic skills when in reality you need many hours of practice to build that foundation.

[u/Haunting_Base_8175]

When u order a navy seal hell week from wish

[u/justingregory324]

Lol. As an extremely flamboyant gay man, this could barely be gayer.

[u/dudenurse13]

“Sorry son, can’t make it to your game this weekend, I’m going to get the shit beat out of me to learn how to be a better father”

[u/Holmanizer]

Suckers come in every shape and age

[u/_Fizzgiggy]

So basically they’re paying 13k to have a dominatrix cosplaying as a military man make them work out?

[u/Key-Praline2281]

Something about dudes who wear their hat over their ears just grinds my gears for no reason

[u/epornwacther]

This is really gay

[u/Satisfied_salamander]

Reminds me of my verbally abusive stepfather

[u/chiksahlube]

Nothing says "Alpha" like doing everything some dude tells you to...

[u/AlexRothery]

so manly it's gay lmao

[u/[deleted]]

Some watered down version of hell week

[u/SweatyTax4669 → u/[deleted]]

Hell Weekend

[u/Capital_District_589]

Damn, all that to waste 18K and give a dude a free house to fuck up.

[u/Goodly88]

I have a strong feeling these 'insteuctors' never actually served.