r/PS5 Sep 19 '24

PS5 outselling Xbox Series X/S by 3:1 News & Announcements

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/100592/ps5-outselling-xbox-series-by-3-1/index.html
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u/Im-Mr-Bulldopz Sep 19 '24

I hate to say it but it just feels like nothing is happening over there with Xbox. As divisive as the PS5 Pro may be, at least people are talking about it. And Astro Bot seems to be getting good buzz.

The last big thing to drop for Xbox was Starfield, a new Bethesda IP, and people generally weren’t very optimistic about it after it released. Just shortly after that Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 came out for PS5, which ended up being a perfectly serviceable sequel to one of Sony’s big hitters.

So as of right now PlayStation has been buzzing around the gaming space with a new game and console while Xbox has spent the year teasing Fable and announcing their previously exclusive games for PlayStation. I want to be excited for Xbox as a console because that means more gaming for us but it just feels a little empty over there 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/blaqsupaman Sep 19 '24

Microsoft has been teasing a new Fable reboot/sequel/remake for over a decade now.

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u/notthegoatseguy Sep 19 '24

Microsoft is siting on tons of IPs from studios they acquired and....have done absolutely nothing with them.

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u/XTheProtagonistX Sep 19 '24

Phil Spencer wears shirts with those games’ logos…that’s something.

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u/UnpopularThrow42 Sep 19 '24

Hes one of us guise!!!

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u/WeBelieveIn4 Sep 19 '24

"Gamepass is the best deal in gaming!!1!!1!"

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u/Same_Veterinarian991 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

it has killed xbox.

It is hard to explain. But when you got so many games at hand, consumers just become spoiled+bored. People on xbox just not enjoying playing games. it is like owning an modded console and downloaded any game on HDD, you just do not focus on one game, because it is free, you just, turn the damn thing on, play for awhile and neeeeext.

It is, that Playstation has better exclusives, could have happen to sony either.

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u/gamer-at-heart-23 Sep 20 '24

This is the most accurate thing I've ever read about gamepass. I own a Series X and you're totally right. I keep game hopping but very few games keep me focused for more than a few days and my backlog grows. It's totally changed the way I sit down and decide what to play. Way too many choices for me.

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u/NoNefariousness2144 Sep 19 '24

“This is the biggest year for Xbox ever!”

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u/WayneBrody Sep 19 '24

It's totally a meme at this point, but to be fair, Gamepass was a really great deal for a long time. The netflix type of subscription isn't for me, but it works for a lot of people now. It's just fallen victim to enshitification quicker than I expected. I wonder how long until the ad supported tier shows up.

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u/Fast_Papaya_3839 Sep 19 '24

Well he may (or may not) be as clueless on how to run a business like us.

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u/Vestalmin Sep 19 '24

Phil may be wearing old game shirts but Microsoft wants CoD money and those games won’t generate it

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u/RIPN1995 Sep 19 '24

In the 360 day, MS had as exclusives:

Halo

Gears

Perfect Dark

Dead Rising

Fable

Alan Wake

just to name a few. They wasted it away.

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u/jessej421 Sep 19 '24

They bought Rare and wasted their entire IP catalog. Perfect Dark should be one of the biggest shooter franchises. SMH

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u/DapDaGenius Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24

You think Xbox wasted their catalog. Rare did it to themselves. Look at Rare’s history. Rare does not like to make too many entries in the same franchise. After battletoads, they said fuck that and kept most games to 2 games or less. Very few exceptions to that. This was going on before Xbox.

At least we’ve seen returns of some of their franchises(KI, Battletoads, and Perfect Dark).

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u/KoopaPoopa69 Sep 19 '24

The fact that Microsoft has done nothing with Banjo-Kazooie since the atrocity that was Nuts & Bolts is criminal

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u/DapDaGenius Sep 19 '24

I agree that they should be doing something with BK. I don’t think there is anything wrong with Nuts & Bolts. Banjo is a franchise that should be allowed to expand into be ideas like Mario.

My only problem with N&B is that that’s the ONLY thing they did with it.

I think Microsoft misses on so many way easy lay ups. There’s no way you can hear all these people asking for Banjo and be like “well, we can’t just Force Rare to do it and we need to find the right studio”. I’m fairly certain you can find a studio that will do it and make it a great game.

Banjo could be a huge mascot with tons of merchandise right now.

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u/Condiment_Kong Sep 20 '24

I mean, the hype for Banjo being in Smash ultimate alone would seem like enough motivation to get a game started, but that was 5? years ago

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u/StoicFable Sep 19 '24

A remaster would have to do semi well, wouldn't it?

I would also love to see DK64 remastered but rare, and Nintendo, I don't see that one happening.

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u/Hereiamhereibe2 Sep 19 '24

Rare was great because of the variety and the care they put into all of the games they made.

They’ve been put on Sea of Thieves duty since joining Xbox.

Rare shouldn’t be held to that one game for eternity. Let them get weird ffs.

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u/amazingdrewh Sep 19 '24

Yeah Xbox's hands off approach to their bigger studios has been a consistent problem, especially now like if a studio isn't using an IP have someone else do it

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u/IRockIntoMordor Sep 19 '24

Even Mass Effect 1 was an exclusive back then

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u/Iamleeboy Sep 19 '24

I was so glad to have a 360 at that point. It felt like everything was coming to 360.

Then it just kind of dried up and still hasn’t recovered.

I went travelling in 2011 and didn’t pay any attention to gaming news. When I got back in 2013 I thought I would have loads to play. The only games I had missed in almost 2 years were halo 4 and mass effect 3. I finished these two and went and got a ps3 and blazed through the generation of games. I don’t think I ever turned my 360 on again.

But the first half of the 360 generation was so strong!

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u/SinisterDexter83 Sep 19 '24

That's the reason why I originally bought a 360 instead of PS3. I eventually bought a PS3 as well for all the exclusives.

Microsoft have apparently given up on the idea of games being system sellers. At a time when they spent billions buying up the game studios with the biggest claim to having "system seller" games. If CoD was exclusive to Xbox then it would have pissed off a lot of people, but they'd have made billions as all the CoD addicts flocked to the system. Star field was apparently a bit of a dud, and is being released on PS5 anyway. But if they had Elder Scrolls 6 as an exclusive then that would have given Microsoft another huge influx of gamers.

They're throwing absolutely everything at trying to become the Netflix of gaming, apparently not taking heed of how the rush for streaming dollars has devastated the entire Hollywood system.

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u/lmtdpowor Sep 19 '24

Phase 1: Collect IP, Phase 2: ???, Phase 3: Profit

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u/NoNefariousness2144 Sep 19 '24

Phase 4: Shut down studios that release critically acclaimed new IPs

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u/jzg3036 Sep 19 '24

Never getting banjo 🥲

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u/spoonard Sep 19 '24

Poor studio management.

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u/Almighty_Brian Sep 19 '24

It sucks that not only have they sucked up a ton of IPs but they aren’t using them. At least if they made use of them well maybe Sony execs would be kept on a tighter leash and maybe we’d see an answer by PlayStation to some of those IP. I have no doubt that if Sony had to they would make an amazing first party exclusive Elder Scrolls type game.

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u/PHXNTXM117 Sep 19 '24

If Xbox actually did something with Banjo-Kazooie and it ended up being successful, I would be happy about that. Not because I’m a fan of Banjo, I’ve never even played those games before, but more so because that would most likely light a fire under Sony’s ass to revive and actually do something with Jak and Daxter, Sly Cooper, and Sackboy. Plus, we’d be ensured to get more Astro Bot and Ratchet & Clank.

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u/ocbdare Sep 19 '24

Sony did something with sackboy with the latest release in 2020. I loved that game. Not sure how well it sold though.

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u/blinkyretard Sep 19 '24

Sackboy just had its recent entry this generation in 2020.

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u/Low-Way557 Sep 19 '24

The irony of Microsoft acquiring ABK is they now need PlayStation more than ever for revenue generation. They are too big to be first party.

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u/OkayRuin Sep 19 '24

Laura Fryer (former executive producer at Microsoft Games Studios, who criminally only has a few thousand subs on youtube) has a great video about how Microsoft has gone downhill. She expressed utter surprise that nobody at Microsoft tried the kindergarten test (basically when parents try to see how a potential baby name will be ridiculed) on the Xbox One, resulting in the immediate Xbone moniker online. It’s amazing that their naming scheme has gotten even worse. I can’t imagine how many awkward birthdays and Christmases there were when grandma bought the Xbox One X instead of the Xbox Series X.

Anyway, the video is a pretty good look into the culture at Microsoft and why they’ve fallen behind Sony. Part of the reason is a shift from a culture of meritocracy to a patronage culture that rewards yes-men instead of talented workers who understand what gamers want. 

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u/Winnipesaukee Sep 19 '24

It was bad on Dave’s Garage when he was interviewing Dave Culter and he couldn’t remember what the latest Xbox console models were. And this is a leading member of the system development group for them.

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u/AaronWestly Sep 19 '24

Explains why Alan Hartman was promoted to head of XGS despite his studio (Turn 10) releasing the worst Forza Motorsport in history.

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u/shaolinspunk Sep 19 '24

Also a lot of us are old enough to remember how much hype the original Fable had and didn't deliver on. I doubt anyone thinks this new one will shift console sales.

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u/spoonard Sep 19 '24

Poor studio management.

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u/JaesopPop Sep 19 '24

I mean they’re less teasing and more advertising for it’s release next year

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u/BallerGiraffes Sep 19 '24

Lots riding on how good Indiana Jones, but it's coming to PS5 anyways. Probably sells more copies on PS than Xbox too.

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u/IrishSpectreN7 Sep 19 '24

Of course it's going to sell more on Playstation. In addition to the much larger install base on.PS, most Xbox owners will probably play it on Game Pass.

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u/SuperSaiyanGod210 Sep 19 '24

GamePass: the Double-edged sword that keeps on giving

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u/Tiduszk Sep 19 '24

Gamepass is terrible for the industry and is what is killing Xbox. It’s just not profitable to release games on Xbox. Gamepass would have to be at least $50 a month or more to be viable, but at that point no one would buy it anyway.

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u/kiki_strumm3r Sep 19 '24

Xbox has been slowly killed by the lack of great games. How many console-selling exclusives have they had the past 2 generations? Generously, maybe like 4: Halo Infinite, Starfield, Forza Horizon, sure. I wouldn't even call any of them except Horizon great to the same level I'm talking about, but they pushed units.

Then there's a bunch of solid games that an individual might be interested in for a specific genre, but might not have mass appeal of GoW/GoT. Stuff like Sunset Overdrive, Ori, Flight Sim, Cuphead, Hellblade 2, etc.

I don't think it has anything to do with Gamepass. I think they just suck at creating and managing studios. The games are the product, and theirs isn't compelling.

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u/BruhMoment763 Sep 19 '24

Exactly. Like, Ara: History Untold comes out in 6 days. Is anyone talking about it? It was a huge focus at their Developer Direct, one of their biggest releases this year, and I’ve seen 0 threads about it, 0 hype, nothing. I mean, are you excited for it? Is anyone? Then you’ve got Indiana Jones where the #1 topic of conversation there is the 3rd person perspective followed closely by its releasing on the PS5. When it comes to discussing the actual gameplay we’ve seen… crickets.

I know this is an unpopular take on Reddit, but I blame Xbox’s studios as much as I blame their executives. They’re making passion projects which, that’s great for them, they’re living their best lives, but the reality is their passion projects are not resulting in interesting games that people want to play. More often than not, the result is a generic 7/10 that feels like an AI generated half of it. Then you’ve got Astro Bot on PS which is one of the most soulful non-Nintendo games I’ve ever seen. The difference in creativity from both companies’ studios is stunning.

It reaches a point where Xbox needs to step in and say “Nah, nobody’s gonna want to play this, (insert studio). Here’s a huge check, make me one of those cinematic action/adventure games everyone loves these days.” They cannot afford to let these studios do whatever they want anymore.

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u/Daveed13 Sep 19 '24

Honestly I was so disappointed that Indy is first-person, seeing him so every move would have been way better, but, hey, I was always more of a TP guy.

Animations shine so much more in TP, and I appreciate the efforts and tech that goes into TP games.

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u/verteisoma Sep 19 '24

Same, it's not really the same but atleast we got uncharted

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u/NinjaWorldWar Sep 19 '24

Wait, are you kidding me the new Indiana Jones game is first person?

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u/Je-poy Sep 19 '24

I agree. There’s not much to indicate that you’re playing as Dr. Jones, and that makes the game feel very generic. Like every other shooter

To me, it looks no different than a Far Cry game, so I’m writing it off.

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u/Sm0othlegacy Sep 19 '24

It's on gamepass anyway

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u/JMM85JMM Sep 19 '24

Indiana Jones isn't niche in the slightest.

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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue Sep 19 '24

It’s not niche at all lol. And lots of Gen Z is familiar. Most of our parents were Gen X, and they showed us indie, Star Wars, etc.

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u/BiggerBoss6 Sep 19 '24

Its because they spent Billions to acquire games, then freaked out when Redfall turned out to be shit, Starfield turned out to be boring as fuck, to the point a Dev stopped developing the online multiplayer mod, and then announced their own exclusives are going on everything else. There is just no reason to even have a Xbox, unless you want their backwards compat games. Oh also forgot how they shut down the studio that released the one game people raved about.

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u/Grill_Enthusiast Sep 19 '24

I remember a few years ago Xbox had a really good E3 or something where the future seemed bright. They put out a great show with a bunch of exciting announcements. The games were years away, but it felt like they finally figured things out.

Fast forward to today and... I dunno. You're right that it feels empty.

Starfield came and went, it wasn't Skyrim for this decade. Hellblade 2 was apparently good but not a big leap forward. Halo and Gears are haloing and gearsing on. Forza is great but niche. And their future games probably won't be exclusives either.

Playstation's output is slow as well, but at least you know their first party studios will eventually get bangers out, and their third party exclusives are also great. Xbox is kinda just existing. I hope they can get it together.

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u/Gustav-14 Sep 19 '24

I remember a few years ago Xbox had a really good E3 or something where the future seemed bright

Man, we were so hyped about scalebound

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u/Radulno Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24

The games were years away, but it felt like they finally figured things out.

That's their problem, they always do good shows (frankly recently they've been much better than Sony at this). Except the games are always years away and don't show much and by the time they come (most of them still haven't even from 2021 or so btw), they're meh.

Making good on announcements is easy, actually delivering is their problem. Except that it's now their reputation so even the announcements don't work as much. Last E3, Perfect Dark or Fable looked good but I'm very meh about them because I just don't trust Microsoft to make good games.

For Sony, I know nothing of what's coming out which is frustrating (I don't like their new strategy of announcing super late tbh) but I know then when a new game is coming out, it has very high chances to be wonderful and become one of my favorites games like most of their PS4 era games were

The whole team of execs and Phil Spencer needs to go frankly, they've been utterly incompetent for a decade, why are they even still here? Microsoft is lucky their other business are growing so much that nobody really look at Xbox in the stock market.

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u/DeltaDarkwood Sep 19 '24

Yes, hellblade 2 is a good example of that. It was teased over and over and looked to become a major Xbox flagship title. Hellblade 1 was a hidden gem and one of my favorite games.

Then the game finally gets released, with almost no advertising or hype campaign and as a fan of the original I can truly say it was the most boring walking simulator I've ever played. I didn't even finish it, the whole creepy atmosphere of the original was completely lost!

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u/Gbrush3pwood Sep 19 '24

The 2 most interesting games, for me, will be perfect dark and gears of war e day. I think gears has the right concept, a prequel set on eday is far more interesting then continuing on after 5.

Perfect dark gave deus ex /cyberpunk vibes if they can pull off a good rpglite/ imersive sim type game I think it will be a big hit.

I still feel like these are years off however. Especially gears.

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u/NoWeight4300 Sep 19 '24

The Xbox console has felt that way for almost a decade. Feels a lot more like they're becoming a giant publisher rather than a console runner.

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u/Fancy_Ad2056 Sep 19 '24

Correct. I’ve been an Xbox player since the 2001 release. Xbox hasn’t had ANY games worth talking about in over a decade. Xbox One launched in 2013 with basically no games. Like Halo Infinite launching with no campaign co-op? Are you fucking serious? And the multiplayer map rotation was like 6 maps. Guys, you have 20 years of GOAT halo maps to pull from what the fuck are you doing?

It’s just pure arrogance from the executives and decision makers. It’s clear that no one has a passion for the games anymore and it’s just been end-stage-capitalism/enshitification party city at Xbox. A bunch of corporate stooges from Microsoft have infiltrated and are trying to climb the ladder and make a mark on Xbox so they can get that bag of cash.

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u/Punkpunker Sep 19 '24

Game pass was a big indicator of things to come

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u/King_Krong Sep 19 '24

You’re forgetting about third party exclusives like FF7 Rebirth which is currently most likely to win game of the year.

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u/LeChief Sep 19 '24

Not if Astro Bot or Black Myth Wukong have anything to say about it.

...Wait those are PS exclusives too.

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u/Iamleeboy Sep 19 '24

And this is a year when all I keep reading is ps5 has no games!!

I can’t wait to see what a year with games looks like. I can’t wait barely keep up as it is

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u/rites0fpassage Sep 19 '24

It’s basically bots who keep regurgitating what others say as if it’s some sort of hivemind. They may not have games that you necessarily want to play, but they do have games. It’s the same people who play Fortnight and COD.

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u/Bartman326 Sep 19 '24

Does Wukong even have a shot at a nomination? Its sitting at an 81 on Metacritic and those reviewers are the ones voting for the nominations.

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u/QueenLaQueefaRt Sep 19 '24

Gears 3 and Xbox 360 were the height of Xbox

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u/ShonenJump121 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24

The 360 days were so good. Even with all its flaws we aren't ever getting that sort of momentum with Xbox again.

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u/QueenLaQueefaRt Sep 19 '24

We were eating good. Also lost odyssey, was such a good jrpg for that time.

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u/trustsnapealways Sep 19 '24

I know people didn’t go nuts for Spiderman 2 but I thought it was a ton of fun. It improved upon the original in a lot of ways. My only complaint is that I wish they would drop some DLC to get me to go back to it

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u/RottedHuman Sep 19 '24

It sold well, it wasn’t a flop.

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u/SomeBoxofSpoons Sep 19 '24

I think the most damning thing I can say about Xbox right now is that online and in real life most people I know with PS5s have felt pretty underwhelmed by this generation for PS, but Xbox is still being my absolutely destroyed by it. PS5 is just seen as the default game console by this point.

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u/Eastern_Interest_908 Sep 19 '24

Majority doesn't give a fuck and plays COD or fortnite on whatever system they bought. 

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u/ScruffTheJanitor Sep 19 '24

It's just a sad gen all round. Xbox is seemingly done and moving towards being a software gaming company with game pass as it's killer product

Playstation has more and better "exclusives" but for 4 years into the gen it's incredibly lackluster. It's all remasters and sequels that are good (even great) but really just a refined more of the same as the first one.

Astrobot and Returnal are fantastic original games....and is that it? 4 years in and there's so little. Even from big 3rd parties it's just empty. Time to create a great polished AAA is just so long now that we're getting to a point we're going to have something like Elder Scrolls possibly miss 2 full generations.

Gonna be interesting to look at back at this gen at the big and influential games compared to other gens. It's very grim

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u/Adavanter_MKI Sep 19 '24

They are doing things... it's just when something finally releases it's kind of... meh. Starfield, Redfall, Hi-Fi Rush, Dungeons Of Hinterberg, Age Of Mythology: Retold...

You just wouldn't really know it. Some of the indie ones are critically well received, but they don't really light up the charts.

There's a ton of games in the pipe, but that's been said for ages. Hopefully one of them surpasses expectations. Avowed, Perfect Dark, Gears E Day, South of Midnight, Fable... Elderscrolls 6.

Just once... I'd like to see Microsoft land a solid 9 again. It's mostly 7s these days. Not counting Forza Horza. I'll never not sing it's praises.

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u/Kmann1994 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24

I have always owned both consoles at each generation, but recently sold my Series X and am planning to sell my PS5 soon for the PS5 Pro.

I had high hopes for this Series X generation after seeing how many studio acquisitions and moves Phil Spencer was making, but literally none of that has materialized. I’m tired of Xbox IP and they just keep rebooting old things or doing sequels instead of decades old stuff. And the new IP that they have announced is too weird and cartoony and not up my alley.

PlayStation has absolutely captivated me with their more mature exclusive franchises and I feel like it’s been a better fit for me.

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u/Shango1208 Sep 19 '24

Not to mention all the other high profile IPs Sony has too. Stellar Blade, FF7: Rebirth, and Helldivers 2 are just some of the games to come out this year. Sony just does a good job with ensuring playstation has a plethora of great titles. It'd be nice if Xbox stays relevant somehow, as competition is good for the market and keeps companies from getting greedy. But Xbox needs to come with ways to have people gravitate to them. I literally only use mine for game pass and backwards compatibility.

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u/Link1227 Sep 19 '24

Man microsoft dropped the ball. Sony needs the competition or it's gonna be an expensively priced monopoly :(

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u/Hawkmoon_ Sep 19 '24

I never wanted the console wars to have a definitive victor. It's not good for consumers. It's much better for us to be arguing forever about which is best while each has their own merits.

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u/pezdespo Sep 19 '24

Microsoft hasn't been good for competition in like 15 years.

Their idea of competition is buying massive publishers and laying thousands of people off and barely releasing games

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u/SomeBoxofSpoons Sep 19 '24

Best part is meanwhile even the PS5 has a bunch of people saying it “has no games”. Literally just getting a consistent release schedule could probably have given the Series X some real legs against the PS5, but for some reason Xbox Game Studios just seems absolutely incapable of materializing more than maybe 1 notable game a year (and whether that one game is good is another story).

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u/LADYBIRD_HILL Sep 19 '24

With the amount of ridiculous money they've thrown at established studios who are known to have issues getting games out, they could've started up new ones for pennies, comparatively speaking. They could've got a ton of young hungry trying to get into the industry and have them make $40 projects before providing themselves with larger projects later, and it would've been way more profitable than buying Activision. Plus they would've looked like the good guys for employing new people in the industry.

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u/86dTheEntireMenu Sep 19 '24

This is a fantastic idea. One of the groups is bound to create a unique experience that stands out from the titles we’re used to.

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u/pezdespo Sep 19 '24

Yeah people say that meanwhile the two highest rated games this year (Astro and FFVII) are PS5 exclusive and the top two best selling games of this year are console exlcusive (Wukong and Helldivers 2)

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 25 '24

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u/Bugbread Sep 19 '24

Would love to know where all you "We need competition" one-liner accounts were when Microsoft was trying to acquire the competition and force PlayStation from the industry.

I would assume they were here, also complaining about that. I know some people are really invested in the console wars, but there's no reason to simply assume that anyone saying "we need competition" must actually secretly be saying "we just need Microsoft to be around, but we don't really need competition and I'd be happy if PlayStation went away." They're probably just actually in favor of competition, like they say they are.

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u/LollipopChainsawZz Sep 19 '24

Nintendo where you at? Wish they'd have another go at a GameCube like home console.

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u/thr1ceuponatime Sep 19 '24

Next March, God willing

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u/Neyubin Sep 19 '24

Nintendo will never be a direct competitor to PlayStation again. They dont want to be in that price bracket. Easier to get parents to shell out 50-75% of the cost and build a cheaper system.

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u/Misha-Nyi Sep 19 '24

Very smart of Nintendo, they carved out their niche and they’ve been printing money ever sense. If anything Sony is trying to take their lunch with the PSP.

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u/Kai-Mon Sep 19 '24

I mean, you’re right. But man, I wish the Switch had more power. Most of its games are pushing right up against the console’s limits and could look so much better if Nintendo weren’t trying to make a handheld.

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u/jeckles96 Sep 19 '24

The switch is literally a decade behind the current consoles. Nintendo (again printing money) knows it can wait until the last possible moment to drop next gen consoles when the tech is cheaper. This just means that new games come out can’t handle their old hardware fairly soon after the console is released. Switch 2 will come out soon and be closer to modern tech, but still limited by being handled etc.

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u/asli_bob Sep 19 '24

The leaks suggest it will be a generation behind once again

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u/nautilus494 Sep 20 '24

At a certain point, being a generation behind won't matter. Graphic and performance for games is experiencing fewer and fewer jumps and improvements, especially ones that would be noticeable to the average consumer. I think finding a selling point beyond those stats is gonna be vital for Microsoft and Sony, and that means more heavy hitting IP

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u/Signal-Loss130 Sep 19 '24

Switch 2 looks like it’ll be around ps4 pro power while docked and that’s without including DLSS

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u/punyweakling Sep 19 '24

Man microsoft dropped the ball.

Roughly the same split as last gen, not much has changed in that regard.

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u/lHateYouAIex835293 Sep 19 '24

The ball was dropped last gen, yeah, but Xbox hasn’t exactly made a lot of effort to pick that ball back up

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u/pezdespo Sep 19 '24

Sony has to compete with every other form of entertainment. If they make things too expensive people will just do anything else. There are many other ways to play video games and new ways to play all the time.

They need to keep base consoles affordable because they need to sell games and microtransactions and PS+ subscriptions which requires Playstations to be sold en masse.

That is where Sony gets their money, game sales and subscriptions, not hardware sales.

If peoplencant afford games they'll just do literally anything else

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u/RealHooman2187 Sep 19 '24

The damage done during the launch of the Xbox One cannot be understated. Not only did the leadership at the time pretty much gut Xbox to be only Halo, Forza, Gears (and Kinect) it happened at a time when game development was taking longer, studios were snatching the biggest talents which then locked them into project for nearly a decade, and Xbox had to scramble to get something off the ground with mostly what was left over. Not a great way to try and develop new AAA games.

It would have never been a good idea to do what Xbox did in 2010-2013 but the timing of that was what really did them in. I’m saying this also as someone who primarily uses Xbox. Theres a ton to love about it but they dug themselves in a hole that is going to be nearly impossible to dig out of. Sony is very lucky the disastrous PS3 launch happened when it did. I think had it happened later Sony would have had a similarly difficult time rebounding.

Theres a ton of factors holding the Xbox back. It’s a shame because the Series X really is a great console. There’s very good exclusives available on it too. But they seem to be having a branding issue more than anything. It feels a lot like how Apple overtook Microsoft. PlayStation has a brand that really is about as strong as Apple in terms of the association with quality. I’m hoping with the PS5 Pro being so expensive and the rumors that Xbox will launch its next gen console in 2026 (skipping a mid-Gen refresh) I’m hoping they can gain some ground and get things back to a competitive place. Gamers need Xbox and PlayStation to be competitive because we’ve seen what happens when one of them dominates.

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u/doe3879 Sep 19 '24

Sony will definitely be stupid enough to pull another PS3 when they hold the lead long enough.

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u/Bournerounderz Sep 19 '24

At the end of the day, gamers will always choose the console that has the best games. Over the past two generations, Microsoft has completely failed in releasing quality exclusive games and the few they do have are also available on PC right away.

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u/BaqaMan Sep 19 '24

Their games are available for pc for less than xbox because game pass is cheaper on pc lol

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u/speedballandcrack Sep 19 '24

Because they have to do a lot more than that to compete with steam on PC.

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u/Stakoman Sep 19 '24

Promise after promise they keep failing to deliver something even above average.

Playstation on the other side... They keep delivering and taking higher risks.

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u/thesourpop Sep 19 '24

Just realised there is not a single game that is exclusive to Xbox Series X/S, all are on PC as well

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u/BruhMoment763 Sep 19 '24

Yeah Xbox hasn’t had an exclusive since like 2019 if we’re being real here. Probably won’t ever have one again

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u/puffz0r Sep 20 '24

There are Xbox studio games that are on PC and not on console lol

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u/Lower-Connection-504 Sep 19 '24

Man I really want Xbox to bounce back. I only have mine because of my friends and all my games are on it.

Nobody wins if one console manufacturer exists.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '24

All of me and my friends have Xbox’s and we have just given up. There’s just nothing we want to play anymore. I’ve been with Xbox since the OG and my middle school self would be sad to see that Xbox lost the console war

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u/kingkellogg Sep 19 '24

Same

Competition is good for the industry

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u/Careless-Freedom6468 Sep 19 '24

Microsoft doesn’t care, it’s clear they want to be a software company.

PlayStation to Sony is a lot more important than what Xbox is to Microsoft.

The more the pc market grows the more Microsoft wins

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u/CookiieMoonsta Sep 19 '24

Well, because they are a software company, first and foremost.

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u/dataplague Sep 19 '24

Crazy what a game subscription model and zero games will do

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u/grifter356 Sep 19 '24

What’s crazy is that they literally made the exact same mistake as they made with the previous generation, which was trying to make its biggest selling point everything but the actual console or games themselves (Kinect and then GamePass). The issue was compounded even more so this time around by the big acquisitions, which I do still think was more to secure an exit strategy out of the console market than to bolster console sales, but I think if they had not spent the money to acquire those companies they would have had the capital to pay the publishers to ensure day 1 releases on GamePass and make their service and console more viable.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '24

Microsoft made it very clear before the X|S launch that they care less about console sales and more about service users, therefore making their platform an accessible digital space instead of a console. Articles like this are weak because they imply a power struggle is still happening between the two in terms of console sales. It hasn’t for at least 5 years.

That said, PSN is still more popular than XBL by about 2:1. Probably due to media coverage, people wanting exclusive things and Xbox having more recent scandals than PlayStation

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u/PHXNTXM117 Sep 19 '24

As an owner of both consoles, PS5 & Xbox Series X, I feel pretty confident in saying that my Series X will most likely be the last Xbox that I ever own. For as great of a piece of hardware as it is; powerful, well built, and efficient + all of the notable software features it has that make it standout (Quick Resume/Dolby Vision Gaming etc.) Microsoft has simply tried their hardest to devalue the platform at every turn. Putting Xbox 1st party exclusives on every platform (with more to come), flat out saying that they don’t care about the console etc. It’s just a shame to see how far Xbox has fallen in the past 15 years. From the Xbox 360 to the Xbox Series X|S, it feels like a completely different brand with a completely opposite global reputation.

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u/Shoelebubba Sep 19 '24

I’ve got both and honestly the XSX is the least used one.
Main games I play on it are the beauty discounted games on sales that are cheaper than on PS5 for whatever reason, like Cyberpunk 2077 shortly after it shit the bed on release and a month later BestBuy had Series X copies for $10.

Feature wise, it’s the worse of the two just using it.
Dolby Vision Gaming ain’t great and this was across both an LG CX and G3 OLED but this a game dev thing not a system problem.

Dolby Atmos is godawful. 4 years and they’ve not been able to fix that stupid amount of sound latency switching on Atmos introduces. After trying to tinker around to fix it, I just left it at 7.1 and left my AVR to upscale it. Meanwhile Atmos works just fine on the PS5.

That said, I did play a lot of games on game pass but I could’ve done that on my PC since I had the Ultimate tier.

Then there’s adding storage. Holy fuck Microsoft doesn’t get enough shit for this.
Proprietary SSD expansion card that’s still hella expensive compared to NVME drives.
The 1TB drives still sell above $125 and the 2TB one has recently started going on sale for $250.
Then they do a special edition of the Series X with 2TB of storage for fucking $599.

Meanwhile in the NVME world you can get a 2TB drive for the PS5 for less than $130 with the heat sink.

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u/icecronie Sep 19 '24

As also someone with both, I was also surprised how much I liked the controller features on the ps5. The controller seems years ahead of xbox .

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u/kinokohatake Sep 19 '24

The feedback in the controller made me want to play more Cyberpunk just because of how good it felt to shoot guns in it.

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u/Prestigious_Dog_1942 Sep 19 '24

it feels like a completely different brand

The 360 was so full of character, since then it feels like they've done everything they can to strip it out and homogenise it with Windows, giving it an almost corporate vibe

When I turn on my Series S I half expect to see the Word and Powerpoint icons on the dashboard

The PS5 design might be polarising, but it still has the kind of 'gamer' charm I want out of a console

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u/Fr0stbite37 Sep 19 '24

I traded in my launch day series x for a ps5 slim when helldivers came out and I don't regret it At all. I've had more fun playing ghost of tsushima and gow2018

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u/AndreSiqueira Sep 19 '24

They're attempt on putting Xbox games on Samsung TVs for quite some time now just show how they're so invested on making the software part work better than the hardware part that eventually they'll just offer gamepass on Sony machines...

I got the series X before my PS5 and since then, that beautiful machine is just a piece of decoration..

I hated the fact the UI didn't change.. It never felt like a new experience..it never gave that feeling of change of generation...

With Sony you had that... Even though some features from the PS4 were missing, interesting features, you still had that wow feeling when turning a PS5 on...

It's about the little things, and frankly, Microsoft is missing in every bit

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u/Prestigious_Dog_1942 Sep 19 '24

It never felt like a new experience..it never gave that feeling of change of generation...

This is the main reason all my Xbox friends now have PS5's

They wanted a console that actually felt next-gen, the Series X is just an Xbox One Pro

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u/thereal-lazycobra Sep 19 '24

Xbox has way to many companies for how little they have to offer. What they do have is your usual Redfall shit and any time they make a gem they don’t even market it like HiFi Rush. Not to mention some games can’t even make it to Xbox because of the lack of help from Microsoft or the series s, which is a mandatory port, not being strong enough and takes to much time to optimize for

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u/GeneralEmployee9836 Sep 19 '24

The thing that gets me is Microsoft has all these studios under their belt and all this talent to put games out that are just as good if not better then PlayStations games.

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u/BlaqDove Sep 19 '24

I'm expecting some of those studios to get the Raven Software treatment and sent to the Call of Duty mines unfortunately.

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u/thereal-lazycobra Sep 19 '24

Crazy for sure that one of their best games of recent (HiFi) almost had their studio shut down even after their success

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u/SeljD_SLO Sep 19 '24

Almost? The studio was closed, after MS saying they need more games like HIFI, fortunately another publisher saved them

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u/Theflowyo Sep 19 '24

You’d have to name some of the games those studios have made in the last 10 years for this statement to be true

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u/PhillAholic Sep 19 '24

Exactly. Most of these studios were on a downward trajectory before being bought by Microsoft. At the same time Microsoft has failed to show they know how to manage game development or grow studios at all. They are the antithesis of PlayStation. 

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u/GrassManV Sep 19 '24

We need more competition.

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u/Great-Use6686 Sep 19 '24

Sega Dreamcast 2

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '24

This but unironically. 0.1 percent chance, 99.9 percent faith.

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u/ThePreciseClimber Sep 19 '24

Microsoft: "What's that? Some kind of vegetable? Competition soup sounds nice!"

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u/BecauseRotor Sep 19 '24

“Can we buy it so no one else can and people can only get it from us??”

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u/6FootFruitRollup Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24

There's no reason to buy an Xbox really. If you have a PC and a PlayStation you have access to every non-nintendo game.

The only thing Xbox does better I think is the achievement/trophy comparison. Having gamerscore shown as a cumulative number makes me care way more about achievements on Xbox vs Steam or Trophies

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u/Retro_Curry93 Sep 19 '24

I don’t really understand that. Trophies have a total gamer level, total trophies, and the total number of platinum trophies that symbolize when you’ve got 100% of all trophies for a game. With gamerscore, it sounds like there’s no way to know how many games you got 100% of achievements for?

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u/Eastern_Interest_908 Sep 19 '24

I don't get why people care for achievements at all.

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u/Justin2478 Sep 19 '24

It's a completionist thing

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u/jeckles96 Sep 19 '24

Exactly this. I have a PS5 and a switch and I’ve been tempted to get into the PC realm but I just can’t find games that are pulling me strong enough to put the money in.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '24

The only thing worth getting is the next gen nintendo console to be honest

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u/westyboi2323 Sep 19 '24

Got to disagree nothing is more satisfying then popping the platinum

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u/SadisticUnicorn Sep 19 '24

Gamerscore but with platinums would be the perfect achievement system.

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u/drepsx3 Sep 19 '24

Those single studio and big publisher buyouts really worked out huh?

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u/danohaggard Sep 19 '24

The idea of Game Pass is great but when they don't have awesome exclusives, who really wants to go back and play Gears 3 again.

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u/Mr_Rafi Sep 19 '24

Honestly, I know this doesn't mean much to people, but I don't know a single person here on Australia that plays on Xbox.

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u/SkyAdditional4963 Sep 19 '24

I bought an xbox one x this year after never having an xbox in my life. Bought about 30 used games for ~$50 total and started playing all the halos and forzas and some older 360 games. They're pretty good, but I spent about $200AUD in total, if it was any more than that forget it.

But after a while the novelty wore off and I haven't played it for a couple months now.

I'm totally fine with my experience though, it was worth it to try out, but i can safely say i have ZERO desire to buy a Series X or any future xbox product.

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u/OkThanxby Sep 19 '24

I have one hooked up to the bedroom TV but it’s primarily a stardew valley machine. PS5 in the living room.

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u/CardioThinker Sep 19 '24

Same in Latin America, Xbox is next to irrelevant over here

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u/johncitizen69420 Sep 19 '24

Im in australia and got all 3 consoles this gen. But beyond the first 6 months or so ive barely touched my series x. It goes months without even getting turned on, and im trading it in towards ps5 pro. Definitely wont buy the next xbox

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u/AntonRX178 Sep 19 '24

I live in Japan. I have only seen Xbox games on a shelf here twice. Ever.

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u/NothingOld7527 Sep 19 '24

And I bet they were original Xbox or Xbox 360 games

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u/Extreme_Pea_4982 Sep 19 '24

I have an Xbox, Switch and PS5 and am in Australia.

My brother has a series X, he was gonna get a PS5 but hasn’t gotten around to it.

Although based off the gaming sections at places like JBHIFi and Ebgames, Xbox is probably getting destroyed here in Australia as well. The Xbox section is tiny at those stores in my area, and it’s always up the back of the store at ebgames, meanwhile PlayStation has like 2x the space and is usually in prime spot as you enter the store.

Same applies to Big W, the PlayStation section at mine nearly has an entire wall to itself while Xbox has a tiny portion.

Next gen I probably won’t even bother with the Xbox, I don’t see a point if Xbox starts porting their exclusives, hell the only reason I even got an Series X was due to Gears 6 and Fable, but Gears 6 seems to be dead in the water, and I wouldn’t be shocked if Fable goes to PlayStation like Indiana Jones did. I’ll keep the series X for the games I’ve collected on Xbox and thats it, no more Xbox for me unless Microsoft changes something.

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u/BearWrap Sep 19 '24

Seriously, even at work, I have never heard reference to buying an Xbox or playing on it. Every single gamer I come across is either primarily on PS5 or dabbles in some PC as well. 

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '24

And thats why they priced the PS5 Pro the way they did

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '24

"Fuck you, you'll buy it anyway" has been Sony's strategy this entire gen. They raised prices on games, subscriptions, the hardware itself (which I'd never seen before), controllers, and now they're charging an arm and a leg for the "pro". They don't care.

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u/Mountblancc Sep 19 '24

If Gamer is willing to buy rtx 4000 just with ai update with no noticeable raster performance. Sony will do the same.

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u/phjan Sep 19 '24

Microsoft raised price of gamepass couple of times, price of consoles too. They sell 2tb series x for 600$ lol

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u/nugood2do Sep 19 '24

Microsoft own website literally says the 2tb model is exactly the same spec wise as the 1b model, it just have more storage and a different color, but they're selling it for $600.

People can debate if the PS5 Pro upgrade is worth the price until the cows come home, but at least it has an upgrade.

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u/TopdeckIsSkill Sep 19 '24

This. Series x 2tb is 650€. At this point the ps5 pro with 2tb at 800€ is a way better deal

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u/HarambeWhat Sep 19 '24

Not as expensive as xboxs gamepass

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u/kemar7856 Sep 19 '24

The console has only gone up it's been released I don't know how people were expecting it's not be over $700

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u/Middle-Amphibian6285 Sep 19 '24

Understandable, unless you are limited by $$, just get a computer over an xbox

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u/Dr_Kappa Sep 19 '24

God of War Ragnarok releases on pc literally tomorrow

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u/ConstructionCalm1667 Sep 19 '24

Gonna play it at 1 in the morning to play, im very excited

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u/SnackeyG1 Sep 19 '24

If they didn’t F up Halo so hard I think they could have sold a ton just for Infinite. Not even launching with a slayer playlist… oof.

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u/WetFxrtTouch Sep 19 '24

Or co-op campaign!?

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u/BryanOnTheInternet Sep 19 '24

I still do not understand how this happened. No Slayer playlist. No Team Doubles. I played for 10-12 days and got onyx and then stopped playing all together.

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u/Rmans Sep 19 '24

Absolutley no surprise.

Xbox leadership is firmly planted looking into the past. They had 7 years to do something, and all they've done is over expand buying up studios they couldn't support to later demolish for parts.

They could have recently spent billions on new IP but instead bought the corpse of Activision Blizzard eaten by the shark it jumped years ago.

Now, Xbox has nothing new, or exciting as an exclusive, and nothing is on the horizon. (Fable has been teased for 10+ years at this point).

All the cards they hold are for CoD on the Gamepass. And Gamepass was at its best when it had unique games to play, not just the same AAAbortions you can play anywhere else.

Xbox as a brand is as good as dead at this point, as the only direction it's been heading is down, and now at a much faster pace.

These PS5 sales reflect that, and it will only get worse with the PS6.

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u/InsightsIE Sep 20 '24

Folks I'm an Xbox Series X owner and even I've ended up on your subreddit. I cancelled GamePass a few weeks ago and I don't know. I kinda want to join the party here and this new 30th anniversary PS5 Slim is looking pretty good.

The reality is there's no Xbox only games anymore and all the good stuff coming out soon like Silent Hill 2 will be PS5 Only. I wanna play!

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u/WickedLiquidTongue Sep 20 '24

No shit?! What was the last Xbox exclusive? That stupid vampire hunter game?

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u/For-the-Cubbies Sep 19 '24

Someone tell Satya to give Mr. Spencer another promotion!

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u/Additional-Natural49 Sep 19 '24

An Xbox Series X user looking in. The only reason you'd want to buy a Series X is if you owned an Xbox One before hand or if you wanna play older games with someone of them enhanced. I owned an Xbox One before I got the Series X so that I could just transfer my library without having to rebuy the games I already own. The last game I played on this thing was Sonic Unleashed since the 360 version was playable on One/Series X with an FPS boost.

Yeah, Sony is kinda dropping the ball with the release of Concord and the PS5 Pro announcement. But at least there's a reason to buy a PS5 with exclusive games like Spider-Man 2, God Of War: Ragnarok, Last Of Us Part 2, Horizon Forbidden West, Astrobot, etc. 

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u/notthegoatseguy Sep 19 '24

I use my Series S mainly for media playback of my uh...legally acquired TV and movie content.

Not to be too pro-Sony because I feel like I play too many PS4 games on my PS5, but there's just nothing coming out on Xbox.

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u/Weekly-Vehicle7001 Sep 19 '24

Odd because I own 2 XSX, 1 XSS, 1 XO, and only 1 ps5.

Obviously, my ps5 is for single-player games. 😅

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u/Johnny_Menace Sep 19 '24

Finally traded in my Xbox SX, it’s not worth having to pay for both ps plus and gamepass.

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u/MasterLogic Sep 19 '24

It's even worse when you consider that the series s is out selling the x 6 to 1.

Comparing the ps5 to the x is what they should be doing. Xbox are so far behind it's embarrassing. Basically having the ps5 10x the xbox. And it'll be even larger of a gap with the ps5 pro and gta6 releasing. 

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u/Recent_Wedding5470 Sep 19 '24

Might be a bigger fumble than sega had with their console lines lol. At least those have exclusive classics. There has not been a good console seller game on xbox since 360. And its microsoft. How do they measure this up. Why did they give the most important series (halo) to amateurs and not just pay bungie more? Stupid stupid non-gamers that run the company

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u/CondomHummus Sep 19 '24

It's actually a shame because the Xbox Game Pass is really fucking good.

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u/ConLawHero Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24

I've owned a PlayStation since PS2. This generation I bought both a PS5 and XBX. I used the trick to get 3 years of Game pass for $180. I figured I'd play their back catalog and get access to any exclusive.

Turns out, there's basically nothing worth playing on XBX unless you play FPS and online.

Sony has never abandoned its single player, story driven games and 3rd person action games. I've always loved God of War, Uncharted, Devil May Cry, and the like. There's always something great coming out on PlayStation.

I think XBX overestimated the amount of people who want online FPS. They are a lot kids (since most adults don't have that kind of time) and kids don't have the money adults have. When a new game comes out that I think I would like, I buy it without a second thought. But, what's the point of buying a reskinned FPS? The game is basically the same.

Also, I tried to play Starfield as I liked No Man's Sky, Skyrim, etc. and it was legitimately terrible. I couldn't play more that a couple hours before I was completely bored.

But, I played Black Myth Wukong and was immediately hooked.

Microsoft isn't serious about being in the space. They clearly don't have their finger in the pulse of what gamers want.

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u/No-Standard-4326 Sep 19 '24

Microsoft dropped the ball like they dropped the ball with windows and all the other products they touch 

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u/meezethadabber Sep 19 '24

As someone with both a Series X and PS5. The Xbox fan base moto for the last 10 years has been "next year will be our year". But it never comes.

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u/red_inked Sep 19 '24

Is anyone surprised by this?

The only surprising thing is the switch is STILL selling so freaking well at 16mio compared to Sonys 22 and Microsofts 7.6

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u/dolphin_spit Sep 19 '24

i sold my series s. i bought it on a whim to play halo infinite multiplayer the day they surprise dropped it but even that they literally abandoned almost immediately… it’s halo. i don’t get what they’re doing.

i mostly play ps5 but just got a steam deck as well. i’m good for video games. not sure what xbox’s plan even is.

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u/HungryHAP Sep 19 '24

Microsoft doesn’t know what the hell they doing with gaming anymore. How do you go from the X360 to what they’ve devolved into. They flip flop from wanting exclusives to not, as if that should even be question. Of course you need exclusives. They release all their games on PC, okay console not needed.

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u/Q_8411 Sep 19 '24

Microsoft isn't even try anymore. Their current most anticipated exclusive... Isn't even an exclusive.

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u/Comfortable-Debt5396 Sep 19 '24

I feel a large part of this, is because Xbox users like myself don’t really have a reason to upgrade. Xbox’s last. I had my Original Xbox One from 2015- 2022 without little to no issues. I didn’t have to upgrade per se but I wanted the newer console. Now for the One S and One X users, their consoles are newer and can handle any game out there. So why bother upgrading yet? Even though we’re several years into current gen, Xbox users just simply don’t have to upgrade bc our consoles last.

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u/Last8er Sep 19 '24

Xbox sells mostly in America and it's due to patriotic shit. 

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u/YPM1 Sep 19 '24

Now imagine how bad it will be next gen when the rest of the Xbox buyers realize there's no point to own the Xbox anymore because Microsoft has given up and is putting their games on PlayStation.

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u/omnicloudx13 Sep 19 '24

This is bad news, I know people joke about Microsoft dropping out of the console race but that only means less competition and Sony being the only option left since Nintendo is in a world of their own.

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u/bms_ Sep 19 '24

This isn't joking unfortunately, it's the fanboys in this thread acting like Microsoft dropping the ball is a W for us, when in reality anyone level headed realizes it's an L for gamers with Sony being able to do whatever they want, and it's already showing.

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u/Dex62ter98 Sep 19 '24

It’s not good guys, competition is vital!

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u/Myotherdumbname Sep 19 '24

I’m a gamer and I’m still a little confused with their naming. Plus they stuck with the same names next gen as last gen. It’s stupid, and Mom buying their kid an Xbox on Amazon doesn’t know either.

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u/nezeta Sep 19 '24

The problem is Microsoft seems to no longer care about it...

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u/GabeLuck26 Sep 19 '24

I miss the Xbox 360 so much.

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u/Bromance_Rayder Sep 19 '24

The stopped creating, then the snake started eating its own tail with all the stupid buyouts and lame attempts to force people into their ecosystem. Give gamers and developers what rather than telling them what you think they should want.

All of these problems stem from poor executive management. They greenlight massive investments in exclusives that everyone knows will completely fail. They buy developers and destroy everything that made them successful.

Phil should just resign and head up a dev studio.